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So you’re saying that the majority of ppl that come to the UK for treatment come from those countries?
Nobody knows where they come from, or how many there are. The NHS doesn’t ask for ID when people are admitted. That’s the problem.
I stick to what I said previously ; if they were getting it better at home (and they could afford it) , they wouldn’t be coming to the Uk for it. Do you know for sure that they don’t ask for ID? Have you considered the fact that they do maybe ask for ID .. and these people don’t have ID, as they’re refugees?
Bloss we are talking about health tourists NOT refugees … doh !!!
And how exactly do you know that they are not refugees, migrants, it’s not as if they’re showing you any Id, are they ?
And how exactly do you know that they are not refugees, migrants, it’s not that they’re showing you any Id, are they ?
I don’t think there are enough refugees in the country to make a difference the NHS budget even if they all needed treatment at the same time.
this is an emotional issue as well as an economic one. I know many people whom work in NHS. well aware of scams to get free treatment and fast tracking ( yes it goes on but is hidden and denied at all stages with collusion of those working in service) UK always has and would never refuse to treat an emergency regardless of country of origin. disagree those with higher incomes ought to have to pay as already paying via % in taxes . unreasonable to pay twice. many in NHS do not want to get involved in checking funds etc from users. we are at a critical stage where NHS is virtually bankrupt and needs all the funding it can get. Have had treatment abroad and so have many I know. In every case EU card.insuarnce etc was checked BEFORE offering even a sticking plaster. plus having to pay for drugs and other bits after leaving the hospital or clinic. So we are only in fact trying to do as other countries do. sadly our generous ( and often stupid) way of throwing money at others like confetti is not helping those here whom are paying for it all. bottom line is we need urgently to stop fraud and thus added burden on NHS. those whom disagree are often well meaning and charitable ( as we can see from billions we give away every year overseas ) but either naive or unaware the staggering level of abuse. even the minister running it says the amount is a drop in ocean against full cost of NHS .ignoring at highest level the fact that at least an estimated £50.000.000 a year is being spent and unrecovered. simple checks and costs for illegal or non payment of treatment ought to be levelled as a tax on incoming tourists e.g. £1 for every visitor. tax to be paid before entering UK . if you think thats unfair ..try leaving Thailand without paying the leaving tax! ( yes you have to pay a fee to leave)
some countries are famous for non payment and even have classes to tach you how to claim and get free treatment when arriving in UK . try visiting London hospitals free emergency treatment for toothache. It looked ( I stand to be corrected) like I was the only UK resident person there and yet everybody was getting ‘free’ treatment. I think we need to start having to pay when we enter ( emergency aside) and reclaim costs. thus ensuring NHS gets cash in tills.So you’re saying that the majority of ppl that come to the UK for treatment come from those countries?
Nobody knows where they come from, or how many there are. The NHS doesn’t ask for ID when people are admitted. That’s the problem.
I stick to what I said previously ; if they were getting it better at home (and they could afford it) , they wouldn’t be coming to the Uk for it. Do you know for sure that they don’t ask for ID? Have you considered the fact that they do maybe ask for ID .. and these people don’t have ID, as they’re refugees?
Bloss we are talking about health tourists NOT refugees … doh !!!
And how exactly do you know that they are not refugees, migrants, it’s not as if they’re showing you any Id, are they ?
Bloss stop trying to be smart … you have no idea what you are on about & constantly try ruining threads.
As I said right at the start …. you aledgedly live in Italy therefore have turned your back on the NHS so why you think you are expert on everything is beyond me.
So you’re saying that the majority of ppl that come to the UK for treatment come from those countries?
Nobody knows where they come from, or how many there are. The NHS doesn’t ask for ID when people are admitted. That’s the problem.
I stick to what I said previously ; if they were getting it better at home (and they could afford it) , they wouldn’t be coming to the Uk for it. Do you know for sure that they don’t ask for ID? Have you considered the fact that they do maybe ask for ID .. and these people don’t have ID, as they’re refugees?
Bloss we are talking about health tourists NOT refugees … doh !!!
And how exactly do you know that they are not refugees, migrants, it’s not as if they’re showing you any Id, are they ?
Bloss stop trying to be smart … you have no idea what you are on about & constantly try ruining threads.
As I said right at the start …. you aledgedly live in Italy therefore have turned your back on the NHS so why you think you are expert on everything is beyond me.
Not being smart at all, I was merely asking you a question regarding the thread.
Have you actually read any of the other posts, besides mine?
If so, you should understand why I asked you that question.
So you’re saying that because I live in italy, I shouldn’t be questioning you about the NHS?
Are you for real woman (that is, if you are a woman).And here’s another thread with more proof of your dominance.
Only a blind person wouldn’t notice….either that or someone in your clique.
You actually told me to try not being smart, in reply to me asking you how you knew they weren’t refugees/migrants.
How do you know they’re not refugees/migrants, if theyre not showing you ID?
They could be either health tourists or migrants, don’t you agree, given the fact they’re not showing you ID?
Or do you have a way of telling between the 2?
So you’re saying that the majority of ppl that come to the UK for treatment come from those countries?
Nobody knows where they come from, or how many there are. The NHS doesn’t ask for ID when people are admitted. That’s the problem.
Read above Arc ….that’s where I’m coming from, yet you seem to not consider Drac’s post.
That’s what you usually do when you reply to my posts, you don’t consider what’s written before them.
I don’t know if you do it on purpose or not, but I can hazard a guess you do, you’ve done it again and again.
Another thread I recall (where you had a dig at me, although you cowardly didn’t admit it), was the one about Euthanasia.
I’m not searching for more proof, but it’s all there for people to see what you are about.
And here is the “Health Tourist” one.
Looking forward to your replies.
I work at a hospital in London. I’ve been under NHS employment for a considerable time, now.
I wish the scaremongering and poorly directed propaganda assault would be aimed at the ludicrous amount of administration and management staff with no prior medical or front line experience.
We have people better suited to marketing and PR making decisions that affect front line staff. Have done for years. Even down to wastage on agency doctors.
I find a positive correlation to this and the negative connotations brought about regarding ‘benefit scroungers’ when we have billions to recover from multi millionaires. But what do I know…
Yes – health tourism is a cause for concern but given the rarity of it in comparison to the overall logistical problems we face in the NHS – it’s NOTHING. Just something to work well as distraction because the real issues lie in the management and administration process. You may wonder why the NHS is always struggling financially and bla bla bla – it’s because 30% of the people are NOT needed. Here we were thinking technology would replace humans…. Oh deary me. :)
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