Oh My Golli

@boojangle wrote:

@moonshadow wrote:

@boojangle wrote:

When your kid comes home bleating that she cant clim the ladder lol
what you don’t get is people can be people withought hanging on to insulting .I can see the pitty right now in your doughters eyes,honest I don’t think your a gollywog.make fun of off

Pardon? Sorry Moon but I have no clue as to what point you are trying to make? What do ladders and pity have to do with gollies?

Your going to find out.I really don’t think your racist.Look at the doll though its a caricature of a black person.Its not funny and its in no way nice.Way down in the sub conscious your teaching your kids to disrespect other people.How di I know you were polis best friend.

@moonshadow wrote:

@boojangle wrote:

@moonshadow wrote:

@boojangle wrote:

When your kid comes home bleating that she cant clim the ladder lol
what you don’t get is people can be people withought hanging on to insulting .I can see the pitty right now in your doughters eyes,honest I don’t think your a gollywog.make fun of off

Pardon? Sorry Moon but I have no clue as to what point you are trying to make? What do ladders and pity have to do with gollies?

Your going to find out.I really don’t think your racist.Look at the doll though its a caricature of a black person.Its not funny and its in no way nice.Way down in the sub conscious your teaching your kids to disrespect other people.How di I know you were polis best friend.

Hello Moon,

Some ‘white’ people always have strong opinions on what ethnic minorities should be offended by or not, I would argue that is one of the many reasons why racism is so prevalent in the UK today. I was reading an interesting article about how negative images and key words reinforce negative stereotypes, the intent behind those images and key words is totally irrelevant and I agree the golliwog, in 2015, is a caricature and negative. It is all well and good suggesting not everyone with a golliwog is racist and I am sure that is correct, why though would those same people intentionally buy or own one, knowing and agreeing golliwogs can be deemed as offensive. Maybe because I live in an ethnically diverse area I am much more aware of issues such as this.

@kent f OBE wrote:

@Bemused Bystander wrote:

I do wonder however, if white people err on the side of caution unnecessarily. Is it white people who decide what black people would find offensive, or is it black people themselves? I often wonder.

The problem I think, is perception.

Thing is one coloured person could be offended and another not…

I remember a friend of my mothers chastising me for a reference to ‘coloureds’ (which is what I was raised with) and her being quite annoyed that I didn’t refer to her as black …

@Mr Harp wrote:

Hello again Moon,

An interesting article in the Guardian which says far more eloquently than I could, what I was aiming at in my previous post to you. Read the full post to understand the context.

Btw Moon, keep smiling and don’t take the bait, some posters, persistently, aim your way.

:roll:

“Where does one begin? With the dog-whistling about “indigenous white people”? With the classic solipsistic implication that because he didn’t experience golliwog dolls as racist, no one else should either? Or with the invocation of childhood innocence, a typical strategy for avoiding historical reality by conjuring a past seemingly undisturbed by racism?

Perhaps it would be useful to discuss the tradition of dehumanising racist caricature to which these dolls belong. The English-American author Florence Upton invented the golliwog in a series of picture books produced at the onset of the Jim Crow laws, which mandated racial segregation in the American South. She described the character as “a horrid sight, the blackest gnome”. He was clothed in the same apparel as the black-faced minstrels then prevalent in Europe and North America. He had thick lips, unruly black hair, and his hands and feet were paws.”

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/sep/21/golliwogs-vile-throwback-tory-mps

that’s a mighty big post there,a pound to a penny peole don’t think that way.,some do w cant do nothing about that.

@sceptical guy wrote:

I’ve heard terms like blacklist and blackleg denounced as racist :roll:

The John Seymour article from the Guardian (a paper I really don’t like) quoted by Mr Harp is over the top – assuming that if any kids obtained a golly, they were being absorbed into the racist culture of the adult world.

Read Boo’s posts to see the answer to this – I admire Boo, she’s got real down-to-earth common sense amng other good qualities (waiting for the cheque early next week, please, Ms Boo).

I am genuinely unsure about gollies. They are associated with racism, but they do have a past associated with the innocent world of childhood. My golly brooch never once struck me as about black people, really!

The good thing about this thread, apart from its interest (thanks to Ms K) is that both sides dislike racism. That’s a very different mood form when I was young in the late medieval period, when racial feeling was pretty intense.

We’re all agreed that it’s a question of perception – our differences arise from how we understand that perception. 8)

Did you read the link? Or did your dislike of the Guardian cloud your view, so that when you did read it, your mind had already been made up beforehand anyway. That’s the impression I get. A strange statement to make actually.

Ironically you play right into the authors hand and the main thrust of his article, which clearly bypassed you. You flippantly, with no obvious logic, dismiss his view as “over the top”, a piece he had clearly researched, merely because your viewpoint does not match his. That in turn suggests it is not about “perception” at all.

You then importantly point out a definite answer amongst many other posts, when what you actually should have said is “I agree with so and so and this is my perception as well”.

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