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@forumhostpb wrote:

Lynching by Media – maybe….. but don’t forget that for the first several weeks the same Media were actively encouraging, supporting, and reporting on the world-wide phenomenon that was the McCann’s campaign and search for their missing (believed abducted) daughter.

But this ”missing” time also opens up a number of possibilities. It has always been said by the McCann defenders that they couldn’t possibly have done anything because they were under the Media spotlight 24/7. But this only happened over time – NOT right at the start.

The exact timeline has always been a closely guarded secret by the Police. From the original statement that they visited the children every 30 minutes – which we now know to be totally untrue – we learn that they last visited at 9.00pm when apparently Maddies was said to be OK and then at 10.05pm when they allegedly first noticed her missing.

The Police were not initially contacted until 11.07pm that night. Mrs PB doesn’t share my view on this matter, but even she has conceded that under the same circumstances her FIRST reaction would be to scream for the police long and hard.

Sorry McCann defenders – but i am well and truly on the record here as saying that I think they were in some active way involved with all this and I have seen no reason at all to change my opinion – far from it.

An hours not a long time to bury the body matey. Did they bury it out of sight in that hour, so not even sniffer dogs couldent get the scent, get the stories concocted, and decide to face the world and tell the fib, whilst living with the knoledge they’d. acceidently killed their Daughter?

Sorry Mc Cann Witchhunters, but I am well and truely on the record here as saying that I think they were in no way involved in the apparent death, and have been framed, by a Police Force deseperate for results, and JustChat Members willing to believe all of PB’s Wild unfounded specualtion. :D :wink:

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Portugese Police of course. Must be true.

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@cas wrote:

@Bad Manners wrote:

To belittle them and pour scorn on them every chance ya’ll have had. To make their visits to further the search for their Daughter into some sort of happy joy ride.
To continually pour scorn on every single thing they do. To judge their facial movements, and to try to be the judge of when theyre not showing enough emotion for your liking. Shameful.

What would you do BM, would you go have an audience with the pope, leave yr remaining two children in the care of others, when you’d just lost one?????

Trying to widen the search, The Pope’s an internationally known figure, sure to bring a lot of exposure to the search, in a lot of countries who probably hadnt heard of Madeline.
Yes, I think they did the right thing going to the Pope to further the search.

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To belittle them and pour scorn on them every chance ya’ll have had. To make their visits to further the search for their Daughter into some sort of happy joy ride.
To continually pour scorn on every single thing they do. To judge their facial movements, and to try to be the judge of when theyre not showing enough emotion for your liking. Shameful.

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@forumhostpb wrote:

@fastcars wrote:

……..And I honestly hope they are proved to be innocent. Not so much for them. But so that I can watch the arrogant smiles wiped off the faces of the smug bas*tards on these boards that have had it in for them since day one.

With great respect, but I am not smiling about this – after all a little girl is missing and quite likely dead and above all we must never forget that. SHE is the victim here.

That said Fasty, I have always expressed my opinion that the sainted and holy McCanns were somehow involved, because I believe that they were. I have never bought in to the mystery kidnapper story.

I guess that I get pretty cynical when the Media launches itself into a frenzy and whips up public centiment on a subject. most times they ignore the facts and present their editorial as the only truth.

I hated it when they portrayed the sainted McCanns as the victims but conveniently avoided mentioning the major part that they played in Maddie’s demise.

So if it eventually turns out that they REALLY had absolutely and totally no part to play in Maddie’s disappearance or death (other than abandoning her) I shall be utterly and completely amazed …. but there won’t be an arrogant smile to be wiped off my face because a little girl is (probably) dead and I am a parent of a little girl.

That excuses the feeding frenzy you and the rest have indulged in towards these people? Yes they made a mistake, but some of the comments on this board have been nothing short of disgraceful.

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@ubermik wrote:

@Bad Manners wrote:

@forumhostpb wrote:

@Bad Manners wrote:

@PB wrote:

…..the sainted and holy Mother McCann has such a hard expressionless look on her face all the time. She contrives to show no emotion at all whatever the situation.

Could it be that she is cold and heartless inside as well?????[/b][/color]

Got me started now, but hey…

What gives you the right to arrogantly wade into someone, and declare them cold and heartless. Ya dont know these people do you? A lot of people I’ve seen on have said they are caring loving parents who just made a mistake. Bloo.dy arrogance I’d say.

I’m not comfortable about the ”arrogantly wade into someone” bit, but what I am doing is expressing my opinion based on my own observation. Your right, of course, is to disagree with me.

I’ve watched her over and over again as she attained her world fame status in the Media as the ”people’s mother” and every time I see her she appears to be totally expressionless – no reaction facially at all, just that same cold hard stare.

Of course we can’t know what she is REALLY feeling inside, but I have often found that people’s faces are a gateway to their inner emotions. Maybe I could empathise more with her if she smiled or even cried, or looked even slightly sad or maybe distraught, but this blank expressionless look of hers is frankly a bit disturbing.

As for the McCanns being ”caring loving parents who just made a mistake” – frankly words fail me.

Actually they left their three defenceless children alone and totally unprotected in a strange (to them) apartment in a foreign country with the door unlocked. They could have had a babysitter … they could have taken them to the bar with them and stayed together as a family, but no …. such was the depth of their caring and loving that they just went off out with their friends for a good time and abandoned their children to whatever fate had in store for them.

BTW – people who commit crimes don’t ”just make a mistake”, they make a deliberate choice to do the act and afterwards try to wriggle out of their culpability with this idiotic excuse. We all have the opportunity to make choices in our lives – if you make a wrong (or criminal) choice then the consequences fall on you for making it.

There is no evidence to suggest these people have commited a crime. You talk as if it’s all done and dusted, and they’re guilty. Clearly it’s not all done and dusted.

Sorry, but I have to say the arrogant part again. Calling another human being “cold and heartless” is not a nice thing to say. Judge not lest ye be judged.

Were always gonna come back to this part about leaving the children alone. Yes they made a mistake. They’ll pay for it for the rest of the lives. You and the others on this board have gleefully mocked and belittled these people since day one though.

They have committed a crime, a jailable one infact in portugal, the crime of leaving minors unnattended, as for any other crimes they might have committed NOBODY, not you nor I knows that with the exception of the Mcanns and yet you STILL post as you youre somehow “in the know” and anyone with a differing opinion is “speculating” lol

Do you actually have any “facts” to support your stance? NO

So youre JUST expressing an opinion like everyone else based on nothing at all of substance, and to be honest on far less substance than many of the views that think they are hiding something

Whether acurate or not there IS nothing wrong with someone saying that another person “seems” cold and heartless, its an opinion, and one based on how that person “seems” based on how they look and act, as there are majorative norms with each and every form of behaviour in each and every situation

There are however exceptions, but the most reliable starting place IS with the majorative norm, thats why its CALLED the majorative norm in the first place and not the minor actuality, or the absolute behaviour, because MOST of the time its the norm, but sometimes its not

But I think the biggest sign even tho to most it seems to be the least noticed that they are perhaps sociopathic is the way they talk about leaving their kids, even people who do this will be aware that the social norm would be that its negligent and frowned upon behaviour and would therefore at least try and fake some sign of guilt or conscience in public even if they didnt actually feel any of those things

But the Mcanns at every stage have dismissed this as tho what they actually did was look away for a mere second and then she was gone, no sign of guilt, no hint of responsibility, no statement of negligence, wrong doing or remorse

Just the passing comments that “we were naive” with the conviction of someone who thinks they didnt REALLY do anything wrong despite the obvious consequences of that “booboo”

Most of the other “signs”people claim to see can be explained away possibly by numbness, but that absence of any significant realisation of their MASSIVE mistake is a different kettle of fish entirely and is a far more prevalent hint that they are emotionally detached from more normal socially brainwashed ways of thinking in my opinion and based on many years of having to look for similar “significant” signs in peoples behaviour when they are actively and constantly trying to hide any such signs with all their conscious actions and statements because in those instances you can pretty much ignore the bulk of what is said or claimed and the real indications tend to show up in associative “foibles” that people arent even aware will seem odd to other people in the first place so they see no reason to dress them up

I will stress however that someone being sociopathic doesnt mean they will or could have killed their daughter, millions of people are to varying degrees leaning towards a sociopathic disposition, most without even realising it and live perfectly normal albeit slightly detached troubled lives as a result

Its just a different way of someone seeing the world, signified by their inability to “feel” to the same degree as the majority so they make up for it with logic and mimicry of how “others” would act in a given situation to compensate and fit in, but the signs of that facade are pretty easy to spot it you know what youre looking for

If it;s a jailable offfence why arent they in Jail? Maybe you should tell the Police if it;s a jailable offence, since they havent been charged for leaving a minor alone yet to my knowledge.

I dont have to prove anything. I’ll always assume someones innocent until proven guilty. This is the basis of Democracy. I wont indulge in Chatroom Gossip or Witchhunting with a Clique. Nor will I ever mock or kick people when they’re down. I’ll leave that to ya’ll.

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@forumhostpb wrote:

@Bad Manners wrote:

@PB wrote:

…..the sainted and holy Mother McCann has such a hard expressionless look on her face all the time. She contrives to show no emotion at all whatever the situation.

Could it be that she is cold and heartless inside as well?????[/b][/color]

Got me started now, but hey…

What gives you the right to arrogantly wade into someone, and declare them cold and heartless. Ya dont know these people do you? A lot of people I’ve seen on have said they are caring loving parents who just made a mistake. Bloo.dy arrogance I’d say.

I’m not comfortable about the ”arrogantly wade into someone” bit, but what I am doing is expressing my opinion based on my own observation. Your right, of course, is to disagree with me.

I’ve watched her over and over again as she attained her world fame status in the Media as the ”people’s mother” and every time I see her she appears to be totally expressionless – no reaction facially at all, just that same cold hard stare.

Of course we can’t know what she is REALLY feeling inside, but I have often found that people’s faces are a gateway to their inner emotions. Maybe I could empathise more with her if she smiled or even cried, or looked even slightly sad or maybe distraught, but this blank expressionless look of hers is frankly a bit disturbing.

As for the McCanns being ”caring loving parents who just made a mistake” – frankly words fail me.

Actually they left their three defenceless children alone and totally unprotected in a strange (to them) apartment in a foreign country with the door unlocked. They could have had a babysitter … they could have taken them to the bar with them and stayed together as a family, but no …. such was the depth of their caring and loving that they just went off out with their friends for a good time and abandoned their children to whatever fate had in store for them.

BTW – people who commit crimes don’t ”just make a mistake”, they make a deliberate choice to do the act and afterwards try to wriggle out of their culpability with this idiotic excuse. We all have the opportunity to make choices in our lives – if you make a wrong (or criminal) choice then the consequences fall on you for making it.

There is no evidence to suggest these people have commited a crime. You talk as if it’s all done and dusted, and they’re guilty. Clearly it’s not all done and dusted.

Sorry, but I have to say the arrogant part again. Calling another human being “cold and heartless” is not a nice thing to say. Judge not lest ye be judged.

Were always gonna come back to this part about leaving the children alone. Yes they made a mistake. They’ll pay for it for the rest of the lives. You and the others on this board have gleefully mocked and belittled these people since day one though.

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Ok, Brian’s Gay. Surely the worst Faggot in the world dosent stoop to the sort of tears we saw. tonight though. Beejesus.

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@forumhostpb wrote:

@Bad Manners wrote:

…Still jumping to your conclusions, and forming your own theories. Nothing has been confirmed. Lets wait and see what happens.

Yes you’re right, self-evidently I am speculating – as indeed is everybody else who comments.

However, surely this is one of the joys of debate and of this type of ‘speculation’. After all if we waited for the certainty of a result on this (or other) matters, then it would be pretty pointless saying anything other than making bald factual announcements. Swapping opinions and discussing/debating is after all the essence of this type of message board eh?

BTW – I’ve often wondered why it is that the sainted and holy Mother McCann has such a hard expressionless look on her face all the time. She contrives to show no emotion at all whatever the situation.

Could it be that she is cold and heartless inside as well?????

Got me started now, but hey…

What gives you the right to arrogantly wade into someone, and declare them cold and heartless. Ya dont know these people do you? A lot of people I’ve seen on have said they are caring loving parents who just made a mistake. Bloo.dy arrogance I’d say.

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@abitofmary_j wrote:

@Bad Manners wrote:

The last part of your post seems a bit far fetched and unlikely.

I agree though that were still no further to finding the truth. Gonna have to wait, and see what forensic “evidence” there is.

I still cant see it. These are people who have been in the Media Spotlight since the day their Daughter vanished. This is a body were talking about. It’s not an easy thing to dispose of especially with a Media Circus camped around you.
This would have only left a few hours for them to bury a Body, concoct a story, and then to face the World , and tell the world that their Daughter had been taken, whilst holding it together knowing that they’d accidentely killed their Daughter.
No I still dont believe it.

Bad… a wee snippet from Father McCanns own words….
Day 125 – 05/09/2007

We were surprised to find increased media presence in Praia da Luz again today. We were followed down to church, then to the shops and back to our accommodation which is very unusual, apart from the build up to the 100 days. All the excitement seems to be over the results of the recent forensic tests that again have created a huge amount of speculation. There has been no official conformation that the report has been received, or what the tests suggest if anything!

Kate and I went for a run along the coast at lunchtime. It was pretty windy but still warm enough. Later in the afternoon we went to visit a friend of Kate’s who is on holiday in a nearby village with her family. They brought lots of cards from well-wishers at home and we talked a lot about the search for Madeleine. The twins had a great time splashing around in a little inflatable paddle pool, singing songs and being doted on by the older kids.

See they can freely have a wee drive without the press following….
Day 122 – 02/09/2007

Another relatively quiet family day. My mum and sister arrived this morning after we had been to church. This afternoon we took the kids to a friend’s house with a pool. Kate and I went for a short run and then we all had a swim and a couple of treats brought all the way from Glasgow!.

Several people have been asking about whether they should still be putting up posters of Madeleine since I have said the campaign will be having a lower media profile- especially of Kate and I. The advice of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children is that high visibility of the missing child through posters, car stickers etc increases the chances of finding that child. Kate and I therefore would encourage you to continue taking posters on holiday and ask permission to have them displayed in supermarkets, post offices and shops.

another wee run away……

Fair play Mary Doll, but cmon.

They’d have been lucky take a sh.it without the press having a Camera in their faces. Theres a difference between having a wee drive away, and loading a Dead Body (where was the Dead body located that the Police didnt find it) into their boot, and dumping it without the press getting wind of it.

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