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You obviously know the layout of the Resturant and Apartment Complex then Cath?

How long do you reckon it should have taken her then with your detailed knowledge of the Locale?

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@johnboy25 wrote:

@bat wrote:

@johnboy25 wrote:

I see a full DNA match has been found in the rented car – on Sky News now. Interesting little development, especially for those who scoffed at the very notion of that possibility. No doubt they’ll find a way to backtrack.

So they have John. here
Wonder what explanation they will give for that eh?

Not much I wouldn’t have thought. After all, the British media aren’t likely to press them over it.

DOUBTS over the forensic evidence used to implicate Kate and Gerry McCann in the disappearance of their daughter Madeleine emerged last night.

Samples of DNA, taken from two places, led police to question the couple and later make them formal suspects, or arguidos, in the case on Friday.

One is thought to be the Algarve apartment from where the four-year-old vanished, and the other is believed to be a car hired by the McCanns 25 days after her disappearance.

The samples were analysed by forensic scientists in Britain and led directly to the aggressive questioning by detectives in Portugal of Madeleine’s parents.

But forensic experts last night warned that any samples linking the McCanns with Madeleine days after she went missing should be treated with caution until the full facts of the case are known.

Sources at the Forensic Science Service in Birmingham, which carried out the tests on swabs taken from the hire car, are understood to have dismissed as “simply wrong” some of the speculation surrounding the nature of the DNA evidence.

The DNA samples were so small and degraded that only an incomplete match could be made with Madeleine’s genetic profile, the sources have claimed.

Only 15 out of the 20 genetic markers usually used for such analysis could be identified, raising doubts about the value of the evidence. Only by obtaining 19 matches is a result regarded as conclusive. Independent experts also questioned the quality of the forensic evidence.

Forensic scientist Alan Baker said the type of sample found was vital in interpreting any potential match – whether it is hair, blood or only traces.

And if the match is less than perfect it is more likely that the DNA is not Madeleine’s but that of her brother, sister or parents.

Mr Baker said: “In most crime scenes the individuals in question are not related so the DNA is completely different. But in this case you have got members of the McCann family involved and they would have shared DNA with their offspring.”

Madeleine’s DNA could also have been transferred from anything she had touched in the days before she went missing.

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@forumhostpb wrote:

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It’s kinda looking like the Crime of The Century now PB.
All in the space of a few hours, whilst holding it together knowing what they’d done. Wrapping the body, getting it into the old boot, and burying it totally out ot sight, without any preplanning of any kind. Then grabbing a quick coffee, before they rung the Police.
You’re saying they did this all in the space of a few hours? Impressive.

Yeah, I know that it sounds a bit difficult – but not as impossible as it at first seems. Ive thought about the ”how” in all this and I have a theory. It is ONLY a theory and is MY theory but this is how I think it works….. bear with me.

We apparently know that the McCanns say that they put the children to bed sometime around 6.30 – 7.00 pm and that they apparently arrived at the bar to meet their friends around 8.00-8.30 – this from an assortment of Media reports etc etc.

How about this ….. what if Maddie actually died earlier that day and wasn’t actually alive to be put to bed with the twins??? After all there appears to be no third party witness who saw her after she (presumably) went home with the rest of her family late in the afternoon.

I don’t know how she died (how could I?) but what if she took some pills from somewhere within the apartment, swallowed them, thinking that they were ‘sweeties’, and they killed her???

Parents now go into panic mode. What should they do??? What if the pills were ”illegal”? An autopsy would certainly discover this and professionally ruin the pair of them. So how about they think it through and decide that reporting it to the police is the last thing they want to do. They decide to cover up the whole thing and dispose of the body.

There is plenty of time for them to work this out and set up a rapid plan to wrap the body thoroughly in say bin-liners; shove it into the boot of their car; and transport it out of the village and conceal it a few miles away. Maybe one of them does the transport and disposal bit whilst the other remains in the apartment – I don’t know.

Now they need a ”story” to cover up the death and they come up with the idea of a mysterious abducter. Maybe they know that the local police are dozy, and rely on them being really slow off the mark (as was the case).

To give the abduction story more credibility, they create a huge hue and cry, which is rapidly whipped up by the Media into a major event worldwide – so nobody suspects them and all eyes are on trying to find poor Maddie alive … believed to be kidnapped or in the hands of an international paedophile ring – or whatever.

Any time that the Media goes ”off message” they rapidly bring it back by insisting that the focus is on finding Maddie alive somewhere….. and accuse the local police of being lazy and inept.

Several weeks go by and maybe they wonder if the temporary hiding place for the corpse is really secure. So they hire a car … maybe do a few drives out into the country toghther, saying that they are seeking a bit of privacy from the Media so they can grieve etc..

When they judge that the time is right, they move the body from its temporary hiding place to a more permanent place somewhere else – where they think it is more securely hidden or deeply buried. Either way they want to make certain that it is never found.

This is when the blood from the body gets into the boot of the hired car- as it is moved from one place to the other.

Now I know it is purely guess work on my part….. it is simply a theory – nothing more. But it sure has set me wondering if it could really have happened like this.

A well thought out theory, even if I dont believe a word of it.

Couple of places it falls totally flat. One is moving the “body” from it’s first location to the 2nd. There are Media on these people 24hrs a day. after the 1st day. This does litertally mean 24 hours a day. They wouldent have been able to get to their front gate without the Media being on them. Media would have been covering every single door, every single access point.
It’s hard to see them being able to move the “body” to a more secure location.

I’ll take your word for it that no third party witness saw her after she went home that day. I cant really remember reading if anyone did or not. Are you sure that no other third party saw her after that time? If someone did then the theory’s totally blown apart.

I do know of 2 people who certainly would have known this. Her Brother and Sister. One part I do know is that Kate said to Portugese Police that she made Dinner for the 3 of them, after they came home.

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It’s kinda looking like the Crime of The Century now PB.
All in the space of a few hours, whilst holding it together knowing what they’d done. Wrapping the body, getting it into the old boot, and burying it totally out ot sight, without any preplanning of any kind. Then grabbing a quick coffee, before they rung the Police.
You’re saying they did this all in the space of a few hours? Impressive.

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@forumhostpb wrote:

@sharongooner wrote:

A full DNA match.

Dont mean anything. Her DNA was all over everything she, her parents, her brothers and sisters ever touched

As I understand this DNA match Sharon – it has now been DNA proved that the BLOOD found in the boot of the McCanns hire car was Maddies BLOOD – not hairs or skin cells etc etc but her blood.

The McCanns hired this car weeks AFTER they reported to the world that she had been abducted by somebody from their apartment.

It is stretching the bounds of incredulity to suggest that this blood somehow was deposited somewhere BEFORE she was allegedly abducted and several weeks later was somehow transferred from ….er …. something, into the BOOT of a hire car.

I mean – come on, how gullible does one have to be to buy this as an excuse.

There is every chance that secondary transfer of her DNA could have occured. DNA’s so sensitive that if two people meet in the street, and shake hands, and then one commits a crime, they could possibly leave the other persons DNA at the scene.

This blood could be secondary transfer. Kids cut themselves all the time.

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Yup. all the best to Arkle.

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@forumhostpb wrote:

Yes I think that you’re right. The ”evidence” isn’t conclusive or they would have been charged by now.

However, now that they have been formally declared ‘suspects’ they can be questioned in a far more focused way than when they were simply ‘witnesses’.

I shall be most interested to see if they actually return to Portugal for this questioning process to take place, or if they attempt to stay in the UK and avoid it.

What’s the betting that the next Press release theme centres on how they want to put the entire thing behind them and just get on with their lives – as a reason for not returning???

Remember – you read it here first !!!!!

As far as I know being declared thingy is only so the Police could question them more?

Youre truely a visionary PB. You even know what these people will do a few months down the line!. Bravo I say. Bravo. =D>

But wheres the evidence I hear you ask. Good Question.

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@forumhostpb wrote:

BM … I really don’t know, I wish I did. There might be a perfectly valid explanation, totally unconnected with the parents, as to how her blood got into the car AFTER she was allegedly abducted.

I suspect that finding blood and PROVING that a specific person put it there is giving the police some considerable difficulty.

Pb, you know as well as I do, if they had the “goods” on them theyd be sittting eating Portugese Porridge.
Since they aint eating Portugese Porridge maybe this conclusive evidence isnt as conclusive as you would have us believe. They’re on their way home as we speak, and I dont blame them, getting out of that country.
If the evidence was there, it would have been used.

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@forumhostpb wrote:

I cannot speculate on WHAT happened to Maddie because (as has been said many times over) we simply don’t know all the facts. We simply have our own views on what we feel in terms of the culpability (or not) of the McCann’s conduct.

I just find the entire story told (allegedly) by the sainted McCanns utterly incredible. Without knowing HOW it happened, to my mind the most damning thing is the discovery of poor Maddie’s blood in the McCann’s car – which they only hired AFTER she was reported to have been abducted (or whatever).

Remember that this blood was NOT found by the Portuguese police but by British police. If, as has been said, the Portuguese police somehow framed the McCanns – you would have to consider how they got hold of some of her blood BEFORE she was reported missing three months ago – so that they could plant it later on when their investigation had apparently ground to a halt.

In other words they would have had to anticipate the entire thing in advance – not terribly likely eh? Anyway if they were going to plant evidence like this …. why not plant it in the apartment???

If the Blood Evidence was so convincing , why arent they sitting in a Cell right now.
Again tabloid gossip.

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More anonymous souces, and people that dont want to be named!
Great stuff. This is a real blow to the McCannns case.

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