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@bat wrote:
Well, take a look at this article then from the El Pais newspaper.
Today El Pais newspaper printed an article about how the McCann social status in the UK prevented the work of the Portuguese police investigation what happened to the girl. They say even though UK government is denying intervening in the case both the government and the press took a part of it from the very first minute. Kate McCann apparently called Sky news before calling the police. They also say the British press have done a lot of damage to the investigation by triggering false leads about the girls whereabout.The article is very interesting because it also makes an account of how the campaign was mastered by Gerry McCann and Clarence Mitchell, a British communications expert sent by the Foreign Office to advice Maddie’s parents. According to the newspaper Gerry McCann has been lobbying to be named Minister of Health, hence the help he has been getting to put up a campaign of such proportions. They’re good friends with the actual Prime Minister. This has also triggered some of the police suspicions that they had something to do with the girl disappearance, because they had a lot to lose. Also, they say that kids vanishing from occupied buildings is unheard of. They say that doesn’t happen. Even the Scotland Yard agrees with it.
The Portuguese police assures everything seemed wrong and fishy since the very first minute they arrived at the scene. They say Kate McCann told them the girl was abducted from a window. When they went checking it turned out that window was broken from inside the room, and not outside, that whoever came into the apartment didn’t do it through the window. And that is when Gerry MCann said the door was unlocked.
Also, Kate McCann has been saying they called the police ten minutes upon learning the girl had vanished. But when the police arrived at the scene, a journalist from Sky News was already there. The press had been called half an hour before the police were. (Sky news apparently has correspondents stationed in Portugal). They also say the parent’s story about going to check on the kids every half hour is not true. The waiter and other employees of the restaurant where they were dining denied it.
They also say Public Opinion in the UK is now doubting the McCann’s story and questioning the UK government for giving far too much help to one family while ignoring thousands of other missing children.
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=es&u=http://www.elpais.com/&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=1&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3Del%2Bpais%2Bnewspaper%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1T4GGLR_enGB210GB210ffs finally got the link in English now.
Certainly something fishy about this drivel.
Social Status? He’s a 70k a year Quake. She’s a 45k a year part time GP. Sure it’s more than the average Joe makes, but it hardly makes them the Queen and Duke of Edinburgh.As far as I know to even to be considered for Minister of Toilet Paper you have to be an active MP. Good friends with the actual Prime Minister my ar/se. Shi.te, sh.ite, shi.te. You’ll be telling us that Elvis is working down the local Tescos next.
@forumhostpb wrote:
Yes BM I agree with you. This whole timeline thing is both vague and constantly being altered or revised.
I think that we can all agree that there was someting in the order of 1 1/2 to 2 hours available time between when the McCanns apparently returned to their apartment and when they were next seen in public (at the bar) by themselves.
It is suggested that it was during this time window, that whatever happened to Maddie happened then.
I read today that one of the forensic tests done on the ‘large’ quantity of Maddie’s hair found in the boot of the hire car was for toxicology (i.e. drugs / poisons etc).
Incidentally I didn’t know that they found her hair as well as ‘body fluids’ in the boot of the car.
They actually picked Maddie and their Twins up at 6pm from the resort Creche. Friends saw them alive and well at 6.40PM. They entered the Resturant at 8.30PM.
This leaves 1hr 50 mins for them to accidently kill their Daughter. To quickly recover from the shocking realisation of what they’d done.
To very quickly concoct their stories, and to bring imaginary Kidnappers into the story, and to decide how they’re going to fool the World, and their Freinds and Family over the coming months.
This still leaves a Dead Body. They’ve gotta now totally wrap Madeliene in binliners or whatever, and tape it all down. Now they’ve gotta get rid of the Body. They rummage up a Shovel from somewhere (not many shovels lying around in any Holiday Apartment I’ve ever been in), and somehow manage to get the Body to the Car without anyone seeing it being transfered to the Car.
Now gotta think of a Spot that would keep out of sight in the meantime (times running out somewhat by this time I’d guess). They find a spot, and dig a Grave, bury the Body, quickly get back into the Car. They’re a bit of a wreck by this time I’d imagine. Drive all the way to their Apartment. Get showered , and ready to go out, and make it to the Resturant by 8.30!The inventor of DNA fingerprinting has offered to act as an expert witness in the Madeleine McCann case.
Sir Alec Jeffreys said DNA matches alone did not establish guilt and all Madeleine’s genetic characters would be found in at least one family member.
Gerry and Kate McCann, suspects in their daughter’s disappearance, are considering commissioning independent tests on a Portuguese hire car.
But the Madeleine’ Fund board will not allow money to go on legal expenses.
It has been reported that DNA evidence with a 100% match to Madeleine was found in the car, but this has been played down by Portuguese police.
In an exclusive interview with the BBC’s Newsnight programme, Sir Alec said there could be a potential problem in assigning a profile to Madeleine given that all other members of her family would have been in the car.
“DNA testing seeks to establish whether DNA sample A from a crime scene, came or did not come from individual B,” he said.
“So if you get a match there’s very strong evidence that it did come from B.
“It is then up to investigators, the courts and all the rest of it to work out whether that connection is relevant or not.
“DNA doesn’t have the words innocence or guilt in it – that is a legal concept. What it seeks to establish is connections and identifications.”
Yup, sensational stuff from the Magnificent Mighty Scots. Almost there now.
Cant believe were sitting at the top of the table starring down at Italy, France and Ukraine. :D
I didnt say any of you have accused them of murdering their Daughter.
Bat said “Mrs Mc Cann got extremely agitated, and nearly hysterical, and refused to answer questions”. (From the Police)
I repled “I think most people would be agitated when they’ve just been accused of murdering their Daughter”.
Ok what I meant to say was that most people would be agitated when theyve just been accused of accidently killing their Daughter (by the Police).
Slip of the tongue.
@bat wrote:
I read today that the item the judge wants is Mrs McCanns diary. Also I read in the paper yesterday a coment from another holiday maker who stayed at the same apartment as the McCanns and was in fact in the apartment above them. She said she freqently heard maddie crying for her father. I also read that during questioning, Mrs McCann got extreemly agitated and nearly hysterical and refused point blank to answer some of the questions. Why? Mr McCann says he is “100% certain of his wifes innocence”. Well if you have nothing to hide, why don,t you want to answer the questions?
I read this as well.
Oh and apparantly Mrs McCann has washed the toy of maddies that she,s been clinging too ever since her “abduction”. Maybe because it was smelly you might say, but surely, if your child had been abducted and you had any item that even had the faintest scent of that child on it, you wouldn,t want it washed? It,s a well known fact that when parents loose a child or indeed a spouse, they refuse to change their room or wash anything of that persons, for sometimes, years.She cried for her Daddy. So what does this prove exactly?
I think most people would be agitated when they’ve just been accused of murdering their Daughter.
Dont think you can blame them for washing the Toy. If the Police were thinking of it as Evidence they had ample time to take it. They didnt, probably another example of their incompotence.
@forumhostpb wrote:
I agree that the lack of apparently accurate and detailed information (caused by the Portuguese secrecy laws) is adding to the speculation and sometimes contradictory reports leaking out into the media.
However, it would appear that, despite the out of hand dismissal by the McCanns, there seems to be a real possibility that they were a lot more involved in this than at first meets the eye.
There is also a growing groundswell of opinion from the general public that this is the case. I gather a BBC phone-in programme had to be cancelled due to the amount of adverse (to the sainted McCanns) calls received.
Of course theres a growing groundswell of opinion from the general public when they’re being given incorrect, misleading, inaccurate information.
I dont know that anything the Portugese are saying can really be relied upon. A 100percent DNA match reported the other day had turned out to be nothing of the sort.
Here’s a quote:
The latest developments came as Michael Baden of New York State Police told The Times that a decaying body would produce a “mass of material” unless it was tightly wrapped.
Dr Baden, who has been involved in investigations into hundreds of child murders, said: “In a body which had been decaying for 25 days you would expect to find a mass of material unless the body was tightly wrapped. But if it was so tightly wrapped, how was the hair able to escape?”
Mr Baden said that bacteria causes the body to putrefy and the decomposing tissues merge with the blood. The lining of the nose and mouth are the first to liquefy. It would still be possible to obtain a good DNA sample from such material.
Mr Baden added: “From the details that have been reported I do not think there is evidence that a corpse was in the trunk [boot].”
@forumhostpb wrote:
@Bad Manners wrote:
A well thought out theory, even if I dont believe a word of it.
Couple of places it falls totally flat. One is moving the “body” from it’s first location to the 2nd. There are Media on these people 24hrs a day. after the 1st day. This does litertally mean 24 hours a day. They wouldent have been able to get to their front gate without the Media being on them. Media would have been covering every single door, every single access point.
It’s hard to see them being able to move the “body” to a more secure location.I’ll take your word for it that no third party witness saw her after she went home that day. I cant really remember reading if anyone did or not. Are you sure that no other third party saw her after that time? If someone did then the theory’s totally blown apart.
I do know of 2 people who certainly would have known this. Her Brother and Sister. One part I do know is that Kate said to Portugese Police that she made Dinner for the 3 of them, after they came home.
I quite understand that you won’t buy into my theory – but hey, I’m not a supporter of the McCanns are innocent team…. quite the opposite.
Let me add a bit to my theory (in response to your comments above).
Yes, towards the end of the ‘McCanns are innocent phase’ of the story, the Media were all over them like a rash. But for the first few weeks the McCanns themselves (i.e. personally) were not the story, Maddie and the hunt for her was the story.
If you remember, all the focus was on the ineptitude of the police,; how they failed to close the border with Spain; the alleged presence of an international paedophile ring operating in that part of Europe; worldwide sightings that were definitely Maddie,; Robert Murat was then announced to be a ‘suspect’; Media were tearing around focused totally on this new development. The Media wasn’t looking closely into the McCans at THAT time – i.e. for several weeks after May 3rd.
I reckon that there were plenty of opportunities for them to slip away without being followed. I’ve suggested that they may have set up a pattern of popping out for a drive on their own a few times, just to get everybody used to them doing it. Then once any suspicions were allayed, and once they were satisfied that they wern’t being followed ….. they visit the temporary site and move the body to a more permanent site.
God knows where that could be …. only those that moved it will probably ever know. (Bit like the Moors murderers in this respect – neither one of them have ever owned up fully to disposing of the bodies of the poor little children they murdered or indeed where they were concealed).
The timeline of events on May 3rd is also quite interesting. In today’s Telegraph a fuller timeline has been constructed based on the McCann’s own statements and those of key witnesses.
Maddie was last definitively seen at around 2.30pm on May 3rd playing beside the pool with her family and the other families in the Ocean Club resort.
Several accounts claim that the McCann family went back to their apartment around 6.00pm or so …. but there are no definitive witness who can confirm this exactly.
7.00pm – The McCanns said that this was the time that all three children were put to bed (we only have their unsupported word for this time).
8.30pm – The McCanns arrive at the bar for their ‘night out’ away from their children.
9.05pm – Gerry McCann leaves the bar apparently to check on the children.
10.00pm – Kate McCann leaves the bar to visit the apartment.
10.14pm – Kate McCann rushes into the bar shouting “They’ve taken her, they’ve taken her.”
11.05pm – Police log shows that this is the time that they received the first call reporting that a child is mising.
Of course we can never KNOW what actually happened in the cricial period between around 6.00pm and 8.30pm …. but there was plenty of time for the events suggested in my theory to have taken place.
Some of this Timeline hasnt been translated properly. [-X
Here’s what the timeline actually says at that point.
2:29pm The last picture of Madeleine was taken at the swimming pool at the Ocean Club resort in Praia da Luz, where the McCanns and the three other families with whom they were staying played together.
7:00pm Madeleine and the other children were put to bed. Reports of when she was last seen before this vary, with some accounts putting it as early as 6pm. This would be crucial as the police might put forward a theory that the McCanns killed Madeleine and hid her body before they went for dinner.
Now your’s said “That several accounts claim that the McCann family went back to their Apartment around 6pm or so, but there are no definitive witnesses who can confirm this exactly.”
The actual reading of is “Reports of when she was last seen vary, with some accounts putting it as early as 6PM.”.Slight difference isnt there. No mention is made of there being no “definitive witnesses who can confirm this exactly”. in the one I quoted.
The “early as 6PM”. part’s interesting as well. Does this mean that other accounts actually
put it later than that?
