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but wait, aren’t freedom of speech and religion Western values????
Freedom of religion isn’t a value held by all western countries. Frence laicite bans most forms of public worship or religious iconography.
And no western country has freedom of speach, especially since the introduction of hate crimes. But an older example would be incitement to violence being illegal.
So, drac, what’s the difference between a Muslim and an Islamist?
I generally categorise Muslims into 4 groups, although I haven’t made the distinction in my discussion here I probably should have done.
Jihadist
A muslim who commits acts of violence in the name of Islam.
Islamist
A muslim who pushes the political ideology of Islam, usually are supportive of the Jihadists.
Fundamentalist
A muslim who believes in the literal word of the Quran, and whichever Hadiths their flavour of Islam they prefer. May also be an Islamist or Jihadist, but most aren’t.
Liberal™
A muslim who does not strictly follow their faith and rulings of their local Sharia court, and the only kind that I would want to tolerate in our society.
The Lib Dems got completely wiped out in the last general election, as Martin said. What makes you think people will suddenly start trusting them again?
Hey, and welcome to Just Chat!
I think it’s important to note that the very study you are citing states the following (emphasis is mine)
You are correct, but it is a piece of a larger picture, other studies on general populations (In France and Germany as well as the UK) show similar patterns.
bb are you suggesting there are no intolerant commandments or recommendations in the holy books of other religions?
The way that Jews specifically, and to a lesser degree atheists are talked about in the Quran is written very much differently than anything you will find in the Bible.
The bullied become the bullied if you can’t beat them join them. Just saying.
I’m not sure how productive that attitude is.
Your assessment of Islam is largely accurate BB, it’s as much a political ideology as a religion which is where it differers from christianity and most people don’t understand this. It is worth mentioning of course that not all muslims are Islamists, even if a narrow majority appear to be.
People like skeptical_guy hate the Western world and are in alignment with Islamic values.
Not quite sure I agree with you on this one, there are people like that but I don’t think Skep is an Islamist
That study is specifically students yes, I can find another study on general populations if you wish, there are quite a few with similar results. I recieved the link that this particular study from a professional sociologist, with a confirmation that the methodology and sampling strategies were solid, right leanng or not. (He had some criticism of what the ‘Not very supportive’ category actually means).
I don’t really understand why British muslims are draw towards these views, but I think that propaganda published by Saudi funded groups and ISIS are partially the cause. I also don’t think that the left leaning media helps when it trys to falsely portray half the population as evil racists who hate muslims.
32% think that killing in the name of religion, is justified.
Again this is not a majority, but its one of the more extreme questions asked in the study. An example of a majority would be 59% think that women should wear a hijab.
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33% Of Muslim students in the UK are supportive of a GLOBAL SHARIA CALIPHATE.
Yes, this particular statistic is not a direct majority, but only 25% are non-supportive, so a majority of them who have an oppinion on this support it.
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