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OK peeps the insulting stuff has been deleted from these boards, If anybody has saved it then that is up to them. Now can we please drop it once and for all and move on?????
If this ”vendetta” rears its very ugly head again on this or indeed any other thread then I will simply delete that thread as soon as it is seen. So lets not go there OK???
As you know I’m a Rugby fan rather than football but I was on the edge of my seat throughout this entire game. Tremendous skill demonstrated by all players. Passes done to perfection practically every time. and the last two goals were absolutely stunning.
Mrs PB is now in a state of hysterical ecstacy and the phone lines between my house and Italy have virtually melted.
Apparently the whole of both Milan and Turin has lit up with enormous fireworks displays going off and thousands of cars driving around the streets hooting like crazy. Reports from Rome, Florence, Naples and Sicily incoming as I type.
They really hate the Germans in Italy and this 2:0 result is seen as a total humiliation for the ”Tedeski”
Ok chaps and chapesses – enough with the UGO stuff already. I’ve deleted all his recent posts and the threads that appeared to cause offence so can we all jut let the matter drop please???
@emmalush wrote:
If Bob Geldof has a truely valid point and solution, does he then need to look like some portrait character of jesus?
That is so absolutely apt !!! I have this vision of the saintly Bob Geldof schlepping around in a pair of sandals doing his slightly mad Jesus impression, whilst saving all the poor people in the whole world ….. Rock Royalty style:
“Yer all f*cking c*nts the lot of yers now get yer f*cking money out of yer f*cking pockets and give it all to the f*cking poor…..urrrr f*ck, c*nt f*cking c*nts the lot of yers…. f*ck f*ck….. here, where’s my f*cking royalties yer f*cking f*ckers, f*ck the lot of yers.” etc etc (continued until he finally falls asleep mumbling).
Have you been at the Sherry again Ruby?????
Do you know Emma – and yes it’s amazing – but I totally agree with you on this. Live 8 and all this associated spin and soundbite is exactly that …. spin & soundbite. Let’s make poverty history – yeah right.
So the great unwashed queued up to be ripped off by Rock Royalty …. nothing much changes does it?
Still perhaps the usual collection of tin pot African dictators can feather their own nests and use the money to buy even more arms in order to fight yet another civil war and kill even more of their tribal enemies.
Refresh my memory, how many was it that have been killed in civil wars in Somalia, Ethiopia, etc etc etc????
@Mr Bigstuff wrote:
Once again you make the mistake of calling all military action by Palestinians terrorism. If a suicide bomber targets a military target then it’s not an act of terrorism.
….. and if a suicide bomber targets a civilian target (like a cafe, or restuarant or bus station or market etc etc) then it IS an act of terrorism. Hey Mr B – guess where the vast majority of Hamas suicide bombers do their thing???
@Mr B wrote:
The Palestinians have the right to self-defence and so if Israelis invade their land and attack them they are perfectly entitled to take up arms to resist the Israeli state (excluding civilians).
…. and equally the Israelis have the right of self-defence, so if Palestinian terrorists invade their land and attack them (as happened only last week for example) then the Israelis are perfectly entitled to retaliate…. according to your own logic.
@Mr B wrote:
You also seem to forget that the militants are just ordinary people who have had enough of living a life of oppression.
I suspect that you have a left wing idealists viewpoint on terrorists/militants. No they are NOT simply ordinary people, they are highly motivated and highly trained (in the military sense) and have usually been indoctrinated over a number of years by their terrorist controllers. Disaffected youths, criminals, the unemployable etc etc are all ‘cannon fodder’ for specialist terrorist recruiters who scour the Middle East and Europe looking for such volunteers. These conflicts attract ”freedom fighters” (surely a contradiction in terms) from all over the world. Assuming them all to be ”oppressed Palestinians” is at best naive and at worst utterly disingenuous.
@Mr B wrote:
I have never condoned attacks on Israeli civilians but unlike others here I see no difference in the value of an Israeli life compared to a Palestinian life. Killing any civilian is wrong ………
What a pity that Hamas terrorists don’t share your view. You’d think that all the zealous support you see fit to give them would be repaid by their desisting from all their bombing and cross border rocket attacks – all of which are specifically targeted at civilians. But hey, they are just a bunch of balaclava wearing terrorists – all they know is killing, so what do you expect???
@Mr B wrote:
It’s easy to sit in the comfort of England and criticize the decision of young men and women to become suicide bombers against Israel but every human being has his or her limit before they will break……
….. and I guess that you could deploy this same justification in favour of the guys that let off bombs on the London Underground and killed a load of innocent civilians. Problem is that once you take the view that it’s OK to murder civilians from one country because you are allegedly oppressed, and use this as justification for practically anything, the way is open to murder anybody with whom you have a disagreement. But then this is the way of extremists the world over isn’t it? Yes we can kill them and their women and their children because…………. (insert this year’s fashionable justification)
@Mr B wrote:
…………….. eventually we will see negotiations between the Israeli government and the Palestinian government. So why not just cut out the bloodshed, rhetoric and all the other bullsh1t and just go straight to the negotiations?
The bottom line here Mr B is that NOBODY will negotiate with terrorists. Dress them up how you will, provide them with a whole selection of excuses ranging from the quasi-historical grievance, to the outright grab for power. At the end of the day they murder anybody who gets in their way. Given the worldwide condemnation of terrorism, Hamas has as much chance of sitting round a conference table with anyone as……. (insert your own simile).
On a final point Mr B – I was listening to Margaret Beckett, our fearless Foerign Secretary give an interview today. She made the interesting point that the cross border attack was deliberately staged by the Military Wing of Hamas to destabilise the peace talks beteween Israel and Fatah. Given the enmity between Fatah and Hamas this point found a certain resonance with the interviewer. Certainly sending 8 terrorists under the border in an attack with extremely limited military objectives can only have served to infuriate the Israelis and provoke a response – as is the case.
er…. the poll question was “Has the Live 8 MONEY made any difference?” as in there WAS money involved!!!!
Oh yes and there was a load of boring sanctimonious twaddle from Rock & Pop Royalty about ”ending world poverty” or some such nonsense. I assume that they meant to throw money around as usual.
Most eloquently put Pikey, if I may say so. You see the thing is Mr B, there appear to be two main types of Palestinian. There is the non-violent type who simply want to get on with their lives, feed their families, that sort of thing. Then there are the militant revolutionary Jihad types who seem hell bent on pursuing a course of violence no matter what. Any form of killing suits their agenda and they seem not to be too fussy who they kill – including their own countrymen.
If the Palestinians focussed on the ‘peaceful’ types and got on with sorting out their country, they’d all be a lot better off. But they seem to insist in throwing themselves into the grinder, getting comprehensively minced up every time, then moaning to everybody about how unfair it all is.
I read in today’s papers that the lovely Abu Jendal who is a leader of the al-Aqsa Martyr’s Brigade, has come up with a real winner this time. He has ”hundreds” of martyrs ready and willing to die by throwing themselves under Israeli tanks with explosives strapped to their bodies. What a total waste of time (and life) that is. Still I suppose they will all be given the regulation 70 virgins after they have committed suicide.
These sorts of utterly futile terrorist tactics serve no useful purpose other than to gain a bit of cheap publicity in the world’s press or at least that part of it that sympathises with extreme left wing terrorism. Bottom line is that nobody really believes their idle threats any more, it’s all just a lot of hot air and posturing for the ”home” audience.
Perhaps Abu Jendal should put his money where his mouth is and be the first to blow himself up??? Mind you I expect that he’d try to claim that his human rights had been infringed and bottle out of it. What about the human rights of all those virgins ????? Don’t they have a say in who is going to deflower them???
No problemo – bring your own horses head in case Italy loses.
BTW: Italy – vs – Germany is going to be a real needle match. All the old WW2 enemities will be remembered !!!
