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It seems that these children are following the example of their adult role models. And being led astray by their peers too.
There is no easy answer, but society as a whole needs to start taking responsibility. And yes Pete, I think it is a matter of returning to old fashioned values. I suspect that will be seen as a retrograde step by a lot of people though.
There have been some good opinions expressed on this thread. When I read the newspaper today, my initial thoughts were (expecially on the back of the Doncaster boys) that may be should should re-open remand homes and borstals. They were closed down because they ran on corporal punishment and fear. They did scar young men, but they also saved a fair few. But I do not think that would solve the problems we seem to have with our society.
I read something today… it said…. follow the three R’s:
Respect for yourself
Respect for others
Responsibility for your own actionsEmpathy and the ability to put yourself in someone else’s shoes is something you would hope everyone is born with. Yet psychopaths cannot feel empathy .. and they do not have a social conscience but live out their lives with themselves at the centre of their universe. Are these children social psycopaths? If they are, then some of them will have been born with that tendency and some may have become that way through a childhood that destroyed them.
In all three cases that have been in the papers this week, of children who have behaved in the most evil way imaginable, all of them have lost their childhoods. And it is society as a whole that is to blame. You cannot purely blame the social services for having failed them, although they did, and you cannot purely blame the parents, although they too played their part. The reason they did what they did is probably because they were not thinking of the consequences, and because the people that were their victims were not real people to them.
It is very very sad, and something needs to be done, but it has been a long time since Jamie Bulger and yet things of this nature are still happening. Do we need more social services, more community policing? Do we need to give parenting classes to people who are struggling? Do we take children away from alcoholics and drug users? What is the answer?
That is apathetic of you Pete …… and pointless. Nobody is going to know that you didn’t vote because you disagree with the way all the parties behave. But if you vote for a party that DOES have policies that you agree with, then your vote will count.
There are lots of parties, you do not always have to vote either Labour or Tory.
And every MP elected from one of the “smaller” parties means one less politician in parliament for the big 2. It makes it more difficult for them to rail road policies and laws through.
@gazlan wrote:
I find it amusing that these vehicle manufacturers continue to produce these high speed engines knowing full well that to drive these machines at there peak is illegal…. i am not aware of any government agency that has even attempted to stem this….. :?
Maybe you should stand in the next general election and stem it yourself.
:wink:@gazlan wrote:
well I am particularly good at drawing pluto
as for not voting being immoral…….. yes… it is. Immorality shows lack of regard for accepted conduct, a lack of discipline or an inability to keep to the code of behaviour accepted by society. Our society is steeped in democracy, and the mainstay of democracy is the right to vote.
Take that away and you end up with fascist regimes!
Well you certainly appear to be spaced out……. :lol:
Complete nonsense………i dont vote so i have no right to complain about the disgraceful act of war now being perpetrated in the middle east and beyond? One of the main reasons these Islamic insurgents fight the west is because they dont want their democracy….steeped in hypocrisy, greed and blatant abuse of power….that pankurst woman must be turning in her grave :roll:
The right to vote also gives rise to the fascist groups who over time, change their public persona and…..some take advantage of that right to vote for these…. now that is immoral. And before democracy????? all immoral ??????………Rubbish!!!!!!!!If you don’t want to vote thats fine, but in my opinion, you negate any right to have a go at the government that gets in. If you don’t like any of the political parties, you can make a statement by spoiling your ballot paper. You are showing a distinct lack of knowledge about how this country is actually run. And.. you obviously don’t approve of due democratic process.
And yes tictax.. it was generally considered a civil duty to vote. One person one vote. :D
As for “that pankurst woman” as you call her….. The suffragettes wanted a political voice in this country in the form of votes for women, and got them. Women are of course kept from having a voice in some countries because they are an intelligent and diplomatic force that some male orientated societies find threatening. And lest we all forget, men in this country didn’t get the vote until 1884. Or had you assumed that everyone has always been able to vote in this country? When so many people fought for equality and the right to vote, its a sad indictment that so many miss the whole point!
Voting on who should get into power in a local or a general election is a way to be choose how you want the country to be run. Saying your vote won’t make any difference is defeatest and ignorant.
I won’t get into a war of words with you as regards what Islam thinks or doesn’t think. We are discussing voting and the rights of everyone in a “free” country to vote on who they want to govern them.
Shove that in your bubble pipe and get high on it!
8):) well I am particularly good at drawing pluto
as for not voting being immoral…….. yes… it is. Immorality shows lack of regard for accepted conduct, a lack of discipline or an inability to keep to the code of behaviour accepted by society. Our society is steeped in democracy, and the mainstay of democracy is the right to vote.
Take that away and you end up with fascist regimes!
Your weekend sounds perfectly blissful.. .am so glad rubes :)
and you are welcome, always xxxx
Pete.. they can complain until the cows come home.. but the fact is that once a government is put into power by the voters, the only person who can disband that government is the Queen.
Therefore, people had better be sure who they want in power before they vote, and if they cannot be bothered to even go and vote, then more fool them. They have a vote for a reason, and if they do not want to exercise that power, then in my opinion and in the opinion of the voting public, they do not have the right to complain if they do not agree with the policies of the government that gets in.
Now don’t bother carrying on arguing this point for the sake of it Pete.. they can spoil their ballot papers if they don’t want any of the parties, but they should go to the voting booths and make their feelings felt. And NO they DO NOT have the moral right to complain if they cannot be fekked to get off their @rses and go and vote.
You are straying from the point, which is that anthrax has been mixed with heroin and sold to people who have then died. To mix a deadly substance with heroin is just plain daft. and yes.. heroin is widely distributed in prison, by inmates and probably by prison officers.
A large percentage of crime is drug related! But to kill off your consumers is just plain stupid. And I don’t think the crime fighters are clever enough to think of this one…. so…. its just an accident.
All that glisters is not gold.
