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Nice typo at the end there PB :wink:
I am fed up of not being able to do anything about any of this. I feel very very very strongly about the whole subject. I will not sit back anymore. I am not for mob rule, I don’t believe in vigilanty style revenge. I want the LEGAL SYSTEM of this country to do what it should be doing, and that is, protecting the innocent, protecting our children!! I won’t repeat myself, have said enough both here and on other threads. I am prepared to make this my life’s work now! I want to see the sentencing guidelines changed to reflect the crimes.
Public opinion can be very powerful. We cannot change the sentences that have already been given, but we can make sure that future sentencing is appropriate.
@rubyred wrote:
@forumhostpb wrote:
The Government is, I’m afraid, fully committed to doing all it can to immerse the issue of the punishment of criminals in as deep a layer of bullshit as it can manage ……. as evidenced by the above quoted Government response.
as successive governtments have PB.. This is not a labour party problem. Which makes it harder in many ways, as its not a case of voting with our feet to get things done.not meaning to turn it into a political debate. so i wont go on.
Then its time they realised that their ongoing bullshyte won’t be accepted anymore.
And.. in my opinion, anyone who can do what we are talking about to tiny children has something seriously wrong with them. To get 6 years for rapiing a 12 week old is just disgusting. The man is seriously derranged and should be in a high security hospital, not in some open prison with satellite TV and hot and cold running perks.To break a baby’s back, for a laugh!!! The only kind of person who could do that is one with serious mental issues, or someone who is evil through and through. Nobody like that should be allowed to walk the streets again! And what did that man get? He got 3 years! He could be out on parole in 2011.
The man who actually killed Baby P has got 12 years and then life for raping a 2 year old girl. However, the Judge did say and I quote:
Old Bailey Judge Stephen Kramer said both Baby Peter’s mother and Owens would be jailed indefinitely until “deemed no longer to be a risk to the public and in particular to small children”.
But that “indefinite sentence” doesn’t mean life, and the crux is that “deemed no longer to be a risk” bit. Life should mean life. 12 years should mean 12 years and, they need to impose stricter sentencing on people like the lodger who broke Baby P’s back.
Sounds like she had been poorly for a few days and was on all sorts of prescripton meds for a ‘flu like illness. :( poor woman
and there was me thinking I was typing in plain english!
…and rotting wood always has lots of creepy crawlies in it!
One Way Street
Where did you go?
You asked.
I went to a place you can’t follow;
A place where my blood runs fast
And my skin tingles
As though snowflakes are settling there.
It is difficult to breathe
And I look at you
Intensely.Did you feel it?
I asked.
I went to a place you can’t follow
Was the reply.
But I know where you went
And I tried to follow
As you moved
In silken darkness.Follow me again
You said with a smile.
I might one day
I replied.©
A dream?
©
This was the Government’s response to the petition to bring back capital punishment for paedophiles:
Read the Government’s response
Thank you for your e-petition asking for capital punishment to be available when sentencing paedophiles and child murderers. The Government’s position is as follows.
The Government will not be reintroducing the death penalty, and remains of the view that for the most serious offences such as murder, life imprisonment is a more acceptable response than execution. Murderers rightly spend a very long time in prison – in appropriate cases thirty years or more, and sometimes their whole life.
The Government is fully committed to doing all it can to ensure that children are protected from sex offenders. On 13 June 2007, the Government published the Review of the Protection of Children from Sex Offenders. This contains a number of actions which will help improve the protection of children from sex offenders. These include: piloting a process of disclosure to allow parents to request information on whether an individual has convictions for child sex offences or is considered a risk; strengthening Public Protection Arrangements; developing the use of drug treatment for sex offenders; and piloting the use of compulsory polygraph testing as a risk management tool.
This builds on a number of practical measures the Government has introduced over recent years to protect members of the public from dangerous sex offenders, including introducing public protection sentences aimed specifically at dangerous sexual and violent offenders. These sentences ensure that serious offenders will not be released from prison unless their level of risk to the public is assessed by the parole board as manageable in the community. If the level of risk cannot be assessed as manageable, they will not be released.
I’ve just had a look on facebook, and there is one which is asking for capital punishment for these kinds of people. Its a harrowing site with details of Baby P’s death, and links to newspaper reports of other children murdered.
It seems that the sun newspaper had a petition, and the sentencing of one person was increased by two years, but the sentence given one man who raped at 12 week old child was only 6 years. Apparently he could be out in just 2 years and 2 months.
I won’t post the link because actually it is deeply distressing, but they were asking for capital punishment to be brought back. I think that is never going to happen. What we want to do is far more appropriate and may get something done.
I agree Susie, a lot of sentencing is based on the idea that given counselling, support and education, a convicted felon can be reformed and be released back into the community in the sure knowledge they will never commit another crime.
I think the only time that worked was in the film Clockwork Orange!
