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18 June, 2012 at 7:51 pm #499149
@(f)politics? wrote:
it was in response to your lengthy reply regarding the skin colour of british, i chose white christian straight because if i was of a different skin colour and debating this you would never had made the post u made. Someone with different skin colour to white dont get the same gagging, as white people do, because of the fear of racism thrown back at them. So thats why i made the straight white christian comment, because they are more and more being given less and less free speech, people with other coloured skin in my opinion are far less jumped on for such comments, which is why i said you proved my point and read what i had said as being racist,when it actually had nothing to do with skin colour, apart from the fact the white skin colour seem to have less free speech, hence your reply about asian and black generation history and so forth, retort, you assumed that was what i meant.
Wow! I never said your post was racist! You obviously think it was as you had to put in the caveat, “this isn’t a racist comment btw…” before you wrote it!
All I pointed out is this country has not for generations, if ever, been exclusively white.
18 June, 2012 at 7:42 pm #499147@(f)politics? wrote:
it was in response to your lengthy reply regarding the skin colour of british, i chose white christian straight because if i was of a different skin colour and debating this you would never had made the post u made. Someone with different skin colour to white dont get the same gagging, as white people do, because of the fear of racism thrown back at them. So thats why i made the straight white christian comment, because they are more and more being given less and less free speech, people with other coloured skin in my opinion are far less jumped on for such comments, which is why i said you proved my point and read what i had said as being racist,when it actually had nothing to do with skin colour, apart from the fact the white skin colour seem to have less free speech, hence your reply about asian and black generation history and so forth, retort, you assumed that was what i meant.
What lengthy reply regarding skin colour of British? I didn’t mention skin colour, unless I’m mistaken, you did and I responded to it.
18 June, 2012 at 7:31 pm #499336@(f)politics? wrote:
if it isn’t to do with the religious rites, but a personal vow, then surely that can be done in a civil ceremony, as is now their right ? They can make a personal vow and legalise things so they have the same rights as a married couple.
Scep was saying the religious rights and ceremony, in a Church, are impt to gay christians.
18 June, 2012 at 7:28 pm #499144@tinks wrote:
…….but this doesn’t have a lot to do with cliques and cliches :-s
I tinks this and the gay marriage thread got inadvertently “merged.” I suppose the C of E could be seen as a clique.
18 June, 2012 at 7:26 pm #499355@tinks wrote:
Does it bother you if someone you seem to have got on well with online suddenly goes the other way? Do you try to sort it or just accept what’s happened as after all they may just be ‘a name and words on the screen’?…….How important is this to you?
Depends how well you know them or think you know them. I’d try and find out why, though, then probably say, “ah, sod it!” :D
Seriously though, on here, anyone can be anything they want to be. If they turn, maybe it’s all caught up with them.
18 June, 2012 at 7:14 pm #499142@(f)politics? wrote:
@panda12 wrote:
Poli, you said the “straight white Christians of this country are gradually being pushed into extinction.”
Do you have facts to back that up?
Asians have been present in this country since the 17th century with records showing black people having been here since as early as the 12th century.
It’s rather ignorant of people to think this country is a white man’s country. It may be predominantly so but black and asian people have been here for a long, long time. Ironically, guess who bought a lot of the black ppl here? Slave owners.
I think I said it on another thread but British ppl or English ppl aren’t exclusively white, you know. Just because a person has black or brown skin doesn’t mean they can’t possibly have been born in this country. :roll:
Panda thank you for proving my point, i clearly stated it wasnt a racist rant and skin colour has nothing to do with it being british, as you have also stated different colour skinned people have been here for generations, my point being, the fact i as a straight white christian chose to say something regarding our history, culture and traditions being maintained, whether they were bought about by asian or any other colour is irrelevant, but u have chosen to see that as a affront to coloured people, hence my meaning about freedoms of speech, someone white as i did speaks out and its assumed bigotry or racist.british culture is british culture whatever the skin colour of someone. And i for one oppose the need to feel obliged to change that for other cultures, whether they be white black or any tone inbetween, makes no difference at all.
I haven’t proved your point at all and you are choosing to twist my words.
@(f)politics? wrote:
[this isn’t a racist comment btw, but i for one don’t agree with our supposed freedoms, the only people that have freedoms are the ones that want to change everything to suit regardless of old traditions and cultures, we try to hold onto these things as well as move forward, but people want more than that they want it altered and changed to suit the needs of different races and cultures. Those that don’t wish to lose our original faiths and cultures are actually the victims as their free speech is very much held in check, for the very fear of being called racist or bigots, the straight white Christians(dare i say that ) of this country are gradually being pushed into extinction so out with the dinosaurs…
You used the term “straight white Christians” and in the context of your post you are inferring that the old traditions of this country are purely, white, hetrosexual and Christian.
No mention in your post of the straight black or brown Christians that have lived and been born in this country for generations.
You chose to bring skin colour into your arguement – for what purpose?
18 June, 2012 at 4:45 pm #49929518 June, 2012 at 1:19 pm #499292@Sgt Pepper wrote:
Isn’t Noddy that geezer from Slade? :roll:
Holder on, I’ll just check. I think you might be right. :D
18 June, 2012 at 1:12 pm #498779Your son maybe right, lol.
18 June, 2012 at 8:29 am #499131Poli, you said the “straight white Christians of this country are gradually being pushed into extinction.”
Do you have facts to back that up?
Asians have been present in this country since the 17th century with records showing black people having been here since as early as the 12th century.
It’s rather ignorant of people to think this country is a white man’s country. It may be predominantly so but black and asian people have been here for a long, long time. Ironically, guess who bought a lot of the black ppl here? Slave owners.
I think I said it on another thread but British ppl or English ppl aren’t exclusively white, you know. Just because a person has black or brown skin doesn’t mean they can’t possibly have been born in this country. :roll:
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