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@mrs_teapot wrote:

I wondered who Noddy was…. does that mean minim has Big Ears :D … sorry minim… couldnt resist….. I like your car though Noddy :D

That car has no indicators. :shock:

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@sceptical guy wrote:

gay people have won equality, and my guess is that civil marriage will soon be legal.

It’s a question of religion, which is still very important for many people, in this country and the world.The question is caused by the Church of England’s decision to oppose gay marriage on relgious grounds, and as the Church of England is officially tied in with the State, it obviously has a knock-on effect.

There is disagreement among Christians about gay marriage. Many Anglicans support the idea, and quite strong arguments rage on both sides.

Opposition to homosexuality is deep-rooted in the Christian religion (Islam too). Paul found sexual relations betweeen people of the same gender abhorrent (mind you, he had much the same attitude to sexual relations between men and women, but at least you could go forth and multiply – usually). Much of the early Church seems to have been rampant wiht sexuality, if you take the denunciations whihc figure in the New Testament seriously (one woman who seems to have been quite a Christian trollop was given a promise of a special roasting in Hell by the Elder John who wrote Revelation, the scary book at the Bible’s end which inspired The Omen part 2 etc)

The fact is that, Paul notwithstanding, Jesus didn’t actually mention homosexuality. He wasn’t for or agin. It’s a traditon grown from Paul in particular (the same Paul who called for slaves to show thier love for their owners by working harder without complaint, and for women to accept their God-given inferiority).

The Anglican church is also a funny church. Its decisons are usually taken politically, and theology is dragged in as an excuse. If they had supported gay marriage, they would have lost all their African bigots who want the death penalty for being gay in their own countries. The Church is in great danger of disintegration over the question of women bishops, and allowing the gays equality would really set the cat among the pigeons.

But a gay couple who are religious – who love each other – are like heterosexuals who are also religious and love one another. Being one in the sight of God is very important to them. Being denied that by a Church which preaches love yet denies their love is a cause of genuine pain.

I don’t want change for the sake of change, but change here seems important.

I don’t much about the bible but isn’t it full of incest? I seem to remember if Adam and Eve were the first, then surely their sons and daughters commited incest to carry on the population? Forgive me if I’m wrong but that’s how it seems to me.

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@(f)politics? wrote:

i’ll say again …
When in Rome.. do as the romans do… only in Britain could it be expected to be any different.

And that’s what makes this country great. That’s why so many ppl want to live here. They love our freedoms and progressive nature.

I think you’ll also find Holland has approved gay marriage and some states of the US are considering it as well.

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Perhaps poli, it’s simple. Gay ppl who are religious want the right to marry in Church because it is important to them to be joined in matrimony in the eyes of God. You say it makes no difference? To you maybe but to them it is important and it does make a difference in the same way it’s important for someone to be baptised or Confirmed.

You clearly belong to and believe in cliques.

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And what if those core and fundamental values need changing?

Didn’t the Church in this country give its blessing to burning ppl at the stake?

Wasn’t it acceptable to burn witches or drown them?

You say things shouldn’t change but evolve. Surely evolving is changing? :shock:

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@terry wrote:

Poland got knocked out of the tournament tonight which means their fans will be heading back home to England.

Oh good. Means our economy will pick up. :D

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Agreed, Words. Time waits for no one. We either move with the times or we stagnate and die.

The land in this country was once ploughed by man and horse. It soon became apparent we had to move to mechanisation else we would fail to be agriculturally competitive. Some cultures and traditions may stand the test of time but others won’t esp if a change is for the common good.

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I’m not sure if the Church is legally obliged to marry divorcees or whether it is at their discretion. I know they banned it.

Whatever happens, there is going to be a battle between Church and State.

I don’t understand the Church. It has all these mantras such as “do unto others as you would have done unto you” but only when it suits it seems.

If you have two religious ppl one gay and one straight and the straight one opposes gay marriage, why do they have the right to say who can marry in front of God? Goes against the aforementioned mantra.

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I never liked Noddy. He was too quick to temper, seemed spoilt and as for that silly hat and shoes. :D

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@jen_jen wrote:

The church argument clouds the issue…it really has nothing to do with the church or religion.

Marriage is not controlled by the Church, it is controlled by legislation and a change to the legislation would not force religious groups to conduct same-sex marriages if they opposed it. Granting gay people the right to get married would not give them the right to marry in church, whatever denomination they are, any more than it gives divorcees the right to marry in church.

Take religion and the church out of the argument; now what do people think?

The various Marriage Acts over the years dictate how and who can conduct marriages in this country and who is eligible to marry.

I’m not an expert but “Priests of the Church of England and the Church in Wales are legally required to marry people, providing one of them is from the local parish, regardless of whether the couple are practising. Special permission may be granted for out-of-parish weddings.” Wiki

If that’s the case, then the Church and marriage laws cannot be separated. If Parliament passes the law allowing same sex marriages then surely the Church of E and W must abide by the law and allow the ceremonies and carry them out, without prejudice?

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