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@rogue trader wrote:

fgs, i know its four, do i really have to explain my play on words.

No. I got it, four God’s sake! :D

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@Sgt Pepper wrote:

@terry wrote:

@Sgt Pepper wrote:

Different faith systems have every right in the world to officially condemn homosexuality.

:roll: Not if it’s a fit lesbian couple, surely?

Oh..
Well..
Erm..

Actually..

Umm..

:-k

That..
Erm..

That would be an Ecumenical matter..

8-[

Pepper, I now see you as looking like Father Jack!

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No spellmeister’s on here! :D

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@(f)politics? wrote:

doesnt mean i would exclude them far from it, i have friends who are gay i have no problems with them at all, i just dont see why the need for so much pc change of many cultural things that make cultures what they are, inclusion is fine but no need to change what is, intergration should be inclusion into what is not changing what is to suit, im sure ur exclusion wasnt done on religious grounds or traditions more likely bigots ?

Sorry but maintaining the status quo for the sake of it is not healthy. Attitudes over time change. One generation may well have different views from another so should we maintain the status quo just out of a nostalgic hankering for the past?

My exclusion from the village I lived in was down to pure prejudice on many fronts, race, wealth, the fact I wasn’t born in the village. I gave up trying to integrate, I wasn’t out to change anything but to fit into what was already there.

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Noddy? Who is Noddy? Do you mean Mr Noddy, that annoying, obnoxious chatter who used to be in F3?

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@(f)politics? wrote:

Panda you said don’t we all belong to groups etc then say you were excluded and others were powerless to do anything abt it, which says in its self cliques aren’t nice, i don’t like cliques but at the same time i also don’t think any person is powerless to do anything abt such exclusions, too many people fear their own exclusions from including people others won’t. Each and everyone us can do something about it if we really wanted to put ourselves on the line for others, sadly not many people do. Self preservation some may say, weak and gutless in my opinion.

I agree with you but your attitude towards cliques on the Gay Marriage thread is somewhat different – you said you “So better they (gay ppl) concentrate on their chosen faith, and each other than worry abt changing the churches views.”

:?

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@(f)politics? wrote:

a clique although a group is people that exclude others though, and i’m never keen on that, groups of like minded people fine but not with the exclusion of anyone else showing an interest

I see what you mean but I think we all belong to groups whether we intend to or not and exclude people whether we intend to or not.

I can think of the time I lived in a village. I was excluded on many fronts by the locals, even those who thought this was wrong were powerless to do anything.

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The Church is a bizaare institution. I doubt if there is such a thing as a true and devoted Christian who strictly adheres to all the bible teachings and the ten commandments.

This is all about equality. The Church’s stance against allowing gay marriage is denying gay people equality in front of God.

I’m not religious. I only go to Church for hatches, matches and dispatches. I didn’t get married in a Church as I thought it would be hypocritical. My aunt wasn’t allowed to marry in a Church as she wasn’t Christened!

To me the Church needs to modernise else it will eventually die out.

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Don’t we all belong to groups in some way or another whether by default or by consciously joining a group?

I mean we all belong to the JC Commune. :wink:

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@terry wrote:

@Sgt Pepper wrote:

Oh Tel you killjoy.. see the positives mate! You are still in the feckin tournament!

I see the positives mate, but we just don’t have the players to do the job.

The glass is always half empty with you.

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