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@jen_jen wrote:

Ummm…the missionaries did not respect the historical views of the countries they moved to, they imposed their views, as have Christians throughout the ages.

And let’s not talk about how a lot of ex-pats behave when they move abroad…

I agree with you, the British Empire certainly did not respect the views, cultures or traditions of the countries that were conquered.

However, should we still look at what happened in the past to justify what is happening today?

If so, where and when (if at all) will it all end?

I doubt we’ll ever achieve a state where everyone’s a winner.

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Interesting. I must admit I wasnt thinking of the Muslim woman.

I was thinking more of the author or the airport security person being in the wrong both for the same reason – being petty.

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That thin can dish out the sarcasm and insults but can’t take them back.

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@duwpin wrote:

@panda12 wrote:

@anc wrote:

@panda12 wrote:

@gill_cambs wrote:

Pondering who to propose too. So many to choose from ……………………..

Hmm :-k

The Ice Man but he’s been quiet lately. Banned again, perhaps?

‘as ‘e ‘eck! :lol:

So I see.

I know what I’ll be proposing on the 29th…

sorry panda
im unobtainable :P

Sorry thin, I wouldn’t consider you, you’re old enough to be my father.

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This thread reminds me of a Peter Kay routine on dunking biscuits:

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1241797/peter_kay_on_biscuits/

:D

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@anc wrote:

@panda12 wrote:

@gill_cambs wrote:

Pondering who to propose too. So many to choose from ……………………..

Hmm :-k

The Ice Man but he’s been quiet lately. Banned again, perhaps?

‘as ‘e ‘eck! :lol:

So I see.

I know what I’ll be proposing on the 29th…

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@gill_cambs wrote:

Pondering who to propose too. So many to choose from ……………………..

Hmm :-k

The Ice Man but he’s been quiet lately. Banned again, perhaps?

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This is an interesting article. A bit long but shows both sides of the coin. It’s also interesting how one doctor (Dr Zucker) actually investigates the reasons why a child thinks they are the opposite sex and successfully in all but a few cases resolves the issue.

http://m.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2008/11/a-boy-apos-s-life/7059/4/

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@jen_jen wrote:

He tried to mutilate himself…as a child, he could have tried it with a plastic knife, there’s nothing to suggest that he had access to a sharp knife.

How judgemental we can all be when we have absolutely no idea what it must be like to be in such a situation. :roll:

I read this article elsewhere as well where his mother refers to sharp objects. As for being judgemental well yes I am but I also speak from experience as I didn’t know what the hell I wanted at age 5. I don’t even have many memories of that time.

I take it that you are speaking from experience and I am right in assuming that like this 5 year old, you can fully remember all your thoughts and feelings when aged 5 and that you had a clear and mature understanding of all aspects of life and were therefore able to make informed decisions?

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@jen_jen wrote:

My customer said that he knew at the age of 3 that he was a girl, he couldn’t understand why everyone was treating him as a boy when he was a girl.

There’s a difference between making a decision and a “knowing”.

As for the parents having munchausen syndrome by proxy, 2 things come to mind
1. it is highly unlikely that BOTH parents would have it.
2. as I understand it this child had been treated by various psychologists etc. since he was very young. The parents didn’t really know what was going on, they assumed it was a phase, it’s the psychologists who came up with the diagnosis. They would probably have been assessed as a family. If the parents did have munchausen syndrome I would guess that the psychologists would have picked up on that.

It’s usually only one parent that has Munchausen’s – and almost always the mother who becomes such a convincing liar and good at covering things up that the father and other family members do not notice.

There’s been a few famous cases of salt poisoning of kids by their mother with the family and doctors totally oblivious to it.

I don’t believe that if the psychologists came up with it, then it must be true. Some psychologists also state a child under the age of 10 is incapable of criminal intent so it would be nice to see some consistency in terms of what exactly 5 and 10 year olds are capable of knowing.

I guess it’s a matter of opinion but I don’t believe that treating this boy as a girl is the right thing to do at such a tender age because I honestly do not think a 5 year old is capable of knowing what is right for them. If they did, parents would have no qualms in leaving them home alone, or letting them out on their own etc.

If he decides in a few years time that he is actually a boy, will the trauma and memories of being a dressed and treated as a girl come back and haunt him? Will he blame his parents for not protecting him from himself?

As for trying to mutilate himself, I ask again, why have his parents allowed their 5 year old son access to such sharp insturments???

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