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Please read the earlier discussion about the definition of what a vaccine is.

It must provide immunity to a virus.

If it doesn’t reliably do this then it fails at being a vaccine.

Wearing a mask (arguably) reduces your chances of getting covid, it isn’t a vaccine.

That isn’t to say that you shouldn’t get the vaccination, but consider the earlier discussion about care home workings being required to have vaccinations.

Why is 85% 65% an acceptable level of risk here when it’s not for other things that safeguard human life.

Then I would say that the Cholera vaccine doesn’t work very well. Vaccines are something that it is important to get right, especially when you are trying to use them as a justification for something like lifting the lockdowns.

Would you get onboard a plane that lands without crashing 85% of the time?

This is why I said that the mRNA vaccines (Pfizer and Moderna) only targeting the spike protien may turn out to be a flaw in their design.

I’m not sure what hospitals you’ve been to then, none of the ones i’ve ever been to are nearly this organised.

The random nurse that is on vaccination duty will just be given a box of vaccines and told to give them to people. She won’t know who you are or anything about your history.

She isn’t going to wait 6 hours for someone to go and get…[Read more]

If this is true then the vaccines don’t work.

Not sure why this is so hard for some people to understand.

That’s generally the point of taking immunosupressant drugs, yes.

You work out which part of the immune system is malfunctioning and you shut it down so it can’t damage anything.

That may or may not effect if vaccines work, or are safe depending on which drug is used.

Not hard to understand really.

I’m told that all elderly people (with some exceptions) are vaccinated.

So if the vaccines work, this wouldn’t be an issue because the elderly mother would not be able to contract covid.

Are you doubting the effectiveness of the vaccines?

I’m not sure what “full support” means.

I think generally the vaccines are safe if people want to take them, I don’t know much about the blood clotting issue with the AstraZeneca one. If people don’t want a vaccine they shouldn’t get one, and shouldn’t be forced to.

I don’t believe the vaccines are some kind of conspiracy to change…[Read more]

There are three main reasons that informed my decision not to take the vaccine:

1. The vaccine would better used on someone it will actually work on. Herd immunity also offers protection to me.
2. It seems that the NHS doesn’t allow you to choose which vaccine you have, so there’s no guarentee I will get one that is safe for me to take.
3. There is a…

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Im sorry to hear that.

Okay, turn it into an attack then, weird.

As I said earlier, the mRNA vaccines (Pfizer and Moderna) are safe for people taking immunosupressants, but they are unlikely to offer much protection either. This depends on exactly which drugs they take and what is wrong with them (there are nany different types of…[Read more]

Yes, thats how you spell that word.

The stupidity is starting to affect me.

What is this lunacy?

I haven’t googled anything.

I gave you a real example of actual on the ground doctors advising a real patient.

I know this happened because I was the patient.

Is anyone even reading my posts?

quote quote=1139663]I think Ge’s right Health experts widely believe the benefits of be…[Read more]

Its worth noting that the property of mRNA to resist degradation is called stability, and it has been proven that mRNA of different species have different levels of stability, that have been observed as being anywhere from only a few minuites to several weeks.

From this we should assume that synthetic mRNA designed in a lab could be made to…[Read more]

Ge, it’s clear at this point that you are not acting in good faith, this is the last post from you that I will respond to.

How exactly do you propose that the mRNA knows that the immune response is complete, and by what mechanism does it self destruct?

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

mRNA can’t do anything by…[Read more]

If there are any sane people reading thread then I will explain my thoughts on these points in more detail.

I don’t understand the biochemistry involved in the antibody/antigen binding reaction to comment on this but other external proteins work as antigens so theres a good chance that the spike protien would as well.

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Weird characterisation of me.

Then the link is wrong, no doctor would reccomend this.

At best a vaccine wouldn’t do anything because I don’t have a functional immune system to be able to produce antibodies, and at worse it would kill me because I wouldn’t be able to prevent a weakened or modified virus from replicating.

I guess one benifit of the mRNA vaccines is that they…[Read more]

I take immunosuppressants.