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@lil fek wrote:
I’ve never heard of organised stalking. What is it?
“Well a hell of a lot of stalking is a figment of the “victims” imagination for a start”
I don’t think that is true at all, although, the word is used a lot on the net in a joking way pertaining to overzealous admirers.
The term isn’t being manipulated to “describe what men do” both men and women alike are referred to as stalkers. The term bunny boiler is not a whimsical term it is evil and quite frightening.
“stalking used to be commonly done and still is by women”
The most recent figures from the government’s Criminal Statistics for England and Wales show that in 2003, 5,640 prosecutions were dealt with in magistrates’ courts. Of those, 4,884 defendants were men, 756 women. Of the 2,810 convictions, 2,500 were men, 310 women.
United States National Center for Victims of Crime, one out of every 12 women and one out of every 45 men will be stalked during their lifetime.I think the stalking laws have been in force for some years so how can it be a new thing?
Figures rarely if ever reflect anything even approaching the truth, even tho they are often delivered as tho they are incontrivertible Fekky
To really get behind any social occurence you also need to first be able to see and secondly be able to comprehend the significance of social pressures, constructs, stereotypes (both interpersonal and organised) and the way they all act on and pull the topic at hand both in social arenas, the media, law courts and peoples own minds which is often so indoctrinated and wide spread it becomes invisible due to being so much of the “norm” to many out looks
Take a similar hot potato such as sexual harassment at work, because of the social climate and the overtly negative view and stance taken with regards it there has for decades been a marked increase in the amount of women bringing and winning actions pertaining to that act. But that doesnt mean theres been an increase in it simply that its become more likely for women to report it as the chance of it being taken seriously and them winning have increased
Nor do those increases even mean the amount won are that severe as the main reason for many such cases being won is merely that the accused was expendable, the woman driven in her pursuit and the cost in man hours and potential legal fees outweighed the validity of looking further, as businesses operate to make money after all
But two points there, many men go through far worse sexual harassment than the women who take up and win such cases, yet many dont even report them and in many cases arent even bothered by them as they dont see it as a big deal, because they will in many work enviroments have to face criticism, jibes about their sexuality, will be seen as weak for “not just taking it like a “man”” and various other deeply ingrained aspects of social conditioning whereas women due to different social conditioning will be more likely to be met with sympathy and concern for the exact same occurences making it less discouraging to progress it
On the female side of the fence it clouds yet further, as the exact same actions (often simply jokes or comments) performed by someone they either like or fancy WONT be taken as “sexual harassment” but willl be responded to and encouraged, whereas someone they niether like nor fancy will be “harassing them” a point of fact many employers are fully aware of, but one they cant usually fully point out due to then being accused of being complicit to the “harassment” or institutionally sexist
And thats just skimming the surface on that topic as the social influencing aspects of the externally viewed and massively simplified occurence go far deeper and spread much wider than any £10 whores legs ever could lol :D
To understand the reasons why “figures” on gender related issues are all but meaningless you first have to factor in the inherrent differences between those genders as you would when comparing two totally different cultures, the driving forces, views, indoctrinated outlooks, peer pressures, social expectations and beliefs of those genders and how each will be viewed by many groups in the exact same situation where the shoe is flipped to the other foot
With stalking as with sexual harassment, violence and even more serious things like DV, and child abuse as a society we massive trivialise such things, divert them, struggle to accept them or medicalise them where women are concerned because they clash head on with a mass of social constructs of what “women” are percieved to be like
Whereas the social constructs for men tend to increase the vehemence in many of those arenas where a man is the perpetrator and lessen the seriousness or cause him ridicule when he is the one claiming to be the victim
As a stark example of how deep such things go without boring you with the whole story a man walks into a night club with a female companion, a few seconds after entry (the bar not the companion btw lol, it wasnt THAT kind of club) another woman jumped on his back scratching at his face fervently whilst several bouncers and the crowd already in the club (men and women) stood by watching, many seeing the hilarity in this extremely teeny woman attacking what was a quite large bloke even tho the blood from her scratching at his face was quite clear
After a short while he dislodged her and with one back handed slap sent her sprawling on her ass at which point the bouncers and some of the crowd pounced on him, whilst others went to see if the woman was ok comforting her near the bar whilst the man was to all intents and purposes beaten up under the guise of being “carried out of the club” randomly being bounced into walls and pillars on the way and spat at, kicked and punched by both men and women in the crowd on the way because he had “hit a woman”, what a rotter lol
As a result he was ejected from the club with his companion, and later lost an eye because of the attack as one of her nails had puncture his eyeball
Now I am sure many in the crowd MIGHT have reconsidered their initial indoctrinated stance if they had learnt that, some might not have even seen the hilarity in the initial unprovoked attack and might even have seen the reaction to it as justified
But the actual reaction to both parts of the exchange is a very clear indication of not only how actions by genders are ingendered into us to view them and react to them differently and en masse but they also arent limited to drunken revellers in clubs, solitary instances or occurences but permeate every level of society and every profession therein as a result
The genders arent equal and they arent the “same” which is mostly because they arent raised to be the same and society itself reinforces that constantly both through social norms and the law, and as a result they wont act the same way in many given situations so mere “figures” never show anything even approaching reality but often just show what the person compiling them wants to show which in itself is driven by the same social indoctrinations I mentioned in many cases
Coming back to this topic, men expect women to “stalk”, so its no big deal to them when it happens, as a result its often seen as comical and because of social constructs of men being a “man” rarely if ever insills fear into them enough to progress it towards legal action, and even when it does the semblance of that then showing “weakness” will often kick in either personally or through peer pressure
And even where actual and justified because its such a “normal” thing where women are concerned and because the social construct of what a woman is tends to be emotional but inneffectively aggressive its not so serious when the actual facts are conveniently overlooked in favour of stereotypes
From a female perspective were far more readily bombarded with how “violent” the man creature is built to be, how many of them are predisposed to be killers and rapists and whatever else is the current media focus, and women are allowed to be scared and weak when it suits them to be so theres no downside to reacting to unwarranted attention to whatever amount someone wants to. so even as a deterrant its not as effective
But socially when a man is genuinely doing the exact same things its nowadays at least seen with a far darker view, coz “men is SOOOO nasty innit”, so as such its quite a good deterrant even when nothing of any real consequence was going on
Again just skimming the surface there, if you want to really see how representative the figures are tho see if you can find any transcripts and compare similar levels of “stalking” with the punishments applied to each gender as only mentioning “prosecutions” often hides an imbalance in what is handed out as a punishment as was clearly the case with child violence as I discovered a few years ago whilst researching it, where judges would on the same day hand out quite severe punishments to men for things such has merely holding a misbehaving child whilst taking them to their parent to explain their misbehaviour, when within hours women who had actually lashed out at children and totally lost it were let off almost scot free by the same judge within hours of each other as ones action was seen as potentially violent whereas the other was dismissed as a momentary “emotional” occurence that should be strived to be controlled in future
I might still have some of the more obviously contradictory transcripts floating around somewhere I can post if you either cant quite see what I am getting at re the social constructs and perspectives of gender or if you just dont believe such things influence the legal system lol
But dont be so easily swayed by what its claimed “figures” show, because they rarely show anything more than the person presenting them wants to make them show
As much as I agree with the view that family values, personal and social responsibility and many other things that were the foundations of our society have all but vanished due to weak willed, tofu munching left wing tree humpers single parents (for as long as nearly 100% of them are women dont just get shafted by the guardian readers and our pro anyone BUT white british folks government
They got bent over and done big time up the mars bar dispenser by feminists wearing 18 inch strap ons too who painted the picture that anyone who didnt have a career (not JUST a job), kids (but without an oppressive rapist (man) on the scene AND still managed to have a hectic social life as they had before having a career AND kids was in someway substandard and was letting the sisterhood down
They just forgot to explain to women how three things that all need about 14 hours a day to be accomplished adequately can all be done in only 16 hours (+ sleep)
As for the work thing they cant win, if they dont work theyre called scroungers, if they do theyre cruddy parents who have kids to be fashion accessories and its often the exact same people criticising them for doing either of those things depending on what their daily papers are telling them is the cause of all the countries woes for THAT week
Infact single parents not working is far more likely to create non working kids when they grow up, and single parents who work TOO much are far more likely to create out of control yobs as a result
As with all things its not about one extreme or the other, its about balance
@sharongooner wrote:
Blimey Uber is that all you can say???
You disapoint me!!!!! :lol:
Dissapointing women in a variety of ways is a skill I have spent many years mastering to perfection ;)
Infamy infamy they’ve all got a milk bottle up their arse (or turds to that effect) :lol:
I do however totally agree, I rarely if ever read his/her/its posts as theyre usually so full of typos I can never understand them anyway
Its far more fun to watch morons drooling and gibbering senselessly at each other with the hopes of breeding even more drooling morons in a pigtail tugging type of manner so I totally ,,,,,,whats this thread about again? My attention span couldnt stay on topic because of how loooooooooong HerringGermaines initial synopsis was
Any chance you could shorten it?
:lol:
@hermangrrrman! wrote:
@ubermik wrote:
@anita Gofradump wrote:
@emmalush wrote:
Monday 8pm Channel4
Documentary about the only survivors to walk out of the wreckage of the Twin Towers. 12 fire-fighters, a police officer and an office worker survived inside the North Tower as it collapsed on top of them, then endured burial under half a million tonnes of debris, before finally making contact with the outside world.
Seen these guys on another docu, if they was anywhere else they would of been crushed and killed for sure. About time the truth came out about 911, instead of the fake sh!t the american goverment say.
But for any truth to come out there has to be enough people who want to know the truth with enough of a drive to hear it to not be swayed from that want which as with many of the massive deceits shaping the world currently the majority although possibly suspicious are prepared to face those sort of realities or the implications of them yet and might never be
So the whitewash and half assed cover ups continue without much of a noticeable or important questioning of the contradictory and immensely flawed “facts” that are put forward
You only have to look at how many people swallow the man made global warming nonsense to see just how gullible and easily led sheep the majority of people are nowadays and how far the powers that be are prepared to take lies knowing the level of gullibility as it is
So by comparison to some of the other lies that are being swallowed hook line and sinker the whole 9/11 nonsense and all of the ramifications caused by it like the war on “terror” pale into insignificance deoite how big a lie it might seem to many people
Yet another Blah blah! I heard more shyte from a ex-girlfriend or a politician! NAG MAG FECKING NAG Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesus! He’s boring! :lol:
Awwww, you know for someone alleging to be bored by grown up intelligent conversation you seem to doggedly follow it frequently popping up with your “”””???????””””””” contributions
But the thing there is that were it actually so uninteresting any sane balanced person would just skip niftly past it without comment, as I am sure you dont post such mindless vaccuous contradictive tosh on message boards about cooking, pets or any other themes that also dont “allegedly” interest you do you?
Yet here you do often pop up with your “oooh look how bored I am” sort of comments
Thing there is tho, that they dont even look like someone fairly balanced and genuinely bored with a topic or dissinterested, because those people are the ones who DONT post anything, whereas what you do smacks more of someone feeling unnable to contribute anything of worth or value, or someone too retarded or simple to even contemplate whats being discussed well enough to even know if they could or not
But also someone who feels a bit insecure and has an inate “NEED” to be prominent or the centre of attention, showboating or trying to get noticed, so rather than passing by they have the desperate need to contribute “something” which in lieu of anything worthwhile and UNboring ends up being something that has the ring to it of what a disgruntled six year old might contribute to a discussion they cant understand being carried on by older kids so as to try to remind them of their prescence and take some notice of them
Obviously if you DO pop up on every single board on here that also bores you posting identical comments then I would be the first to admit my presumptions are incorrect, but I bet I’m right and you DONT post similar vaccous moronicism elsewhere do ya? lol
Bless :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Actually as an afterthought, I wonder………
Could this rather comically amusing behaviour be the result of some more obvious reason other than deep rooted social inadequacies causing you to need to force a prescence where you dont actually have the ability to do so?
Could it be something as simple as you having a girly name such as Christian, justin or julian your trying to overcompensate for? Or could it be that your under 5’9″ and suffering from short bloke syndrome I wonder?
Rhetorical ponderances btw, as even if true I wouldnt expect an honest answer lol :lol:
@anita Gofradump wrote:
@emmalush wrote:
Monday 8pm Channel4
Documentary about the only survivors to walk out of the wreckage of the Twin Towers. 12 fire-fighters, a police officer and an office worker survived inside the North Tower as it collapsed on top of them, then endured burial under half a million tonnes of debris, before finally making contact with the outside world.
Seen these guys on another docu, if they was anywhere else they would of been crushed and killed for sure. About time the truth came out about 911, instead of the fake sh!t the american goverment say.
But for any truth to come out there has to be enough people who want to know the truth with enough of a drive to hear it to not be swayed from that want which as with many of the massive deceits shaping the world currently the majority although possibly suspicious are prepared to face those sort of realities or the implications of them yet and might never be
So the whitewash and half assed cover ups continue without much of a noticeable or important questioning of the contradictory and immensely flawed “facts” that are put forward
You only have to look at how many people swallow the man made global warming nonsense to see just how gullible and easily led sheep the majority of people are nowadays and how far the powers that be are prepared to take lies knowing the level of gullibility as it is
So by comparison to some of the other lies that are being swallowed hook line and sinker the whole 9/11 nonsense and all of the ramifications caused by it like the war on “terror” pale into insignificance deoite how big a lie it might seem to many people
This is suc a “british” mindset DOA
Hoping, wishing and secretly criticising the work not being done but in effect just sitting on class indoctrinated arses assuming that nothing more can be done, nothing can be changed and that the decision lies in the hands and decisions of the people in charge lol
Its why the media paints the french as being so “bad” because the last thing the media or government wants is for people to look in a neutral or positive way at the french so they have to be demonised to us as effectively as possible because they are one of the few countries left in the western world that realise and appreciate the REAL power in an oligarchy (psuedo democracy) which is the power of the people to unite, take to the streets and DEMAND the things they majoratively want
Us on the the other hand, we sit idly by whilst our businesses and industry are sold off to foriegn investors and home grown movers and shakers, whilst our public amenities are systematically sold off so they can be run more poorly and huge profits creamed off and near silent isolated whinging, whining and wishing for change is all we seem to manage
Its a politicians wet dream
Imagine if en masse hundreds of thousands, even millions of water customers refused to pay? What then?
Do you think water companies would try to cut them all off?
A government faced with such an outcry at being defrauded would have to think of re-election, their pandering to, and lining the pockets of their golf buddies and business partners at the water companies would then become an expendable friendship and they would have to force the water companies to finally do what they should have done all along and upgrade the water system to accomodate the mass influx of imigrants and required housing to home them and work towards a water system that could accomodate them
Instead we are currently looking at a system that isnt increasing with the extra population and hasnt done for years, one that when they cant meet the demand (which IS their side of their bargain with customers) rather than being the “bad guys” its turned around to blame the customers for the shortages, but with the mass increases in new homes the money going into the water companies is ballooning, but then again so are the profits being taken out of them
Imagine if that was applied to macdonalds, if they chose that to up profits they only bought half as much food, they then through the media said that the customers were being irresponsible to the planet and SHOULD therefore still pay the full whack for a meal BUT should actually then only get half of one each so the supply could go further
How silly would that be? And yet when that exact same cover story is applied to the road system, the water system, the national grid, the gas network, train network, refuse collection, police force and pretty much every public service and national amenity people for the most part just swallow the nonsense like the good little brainwashed sheep they are majoratively with little to no dissent other than unilateral isolated complaining
And even when these things are made to do what they should already be doing its then turned around and used as an excuse for more taxation as even the sold off companies get subsidies than in most cases far exceed the ones that were given to them when they were still nationally owned and yet the services they provide are across the board massively reduced
And then they wonder HOW we managed to end up in such an over taxed shit hole of a country as we now find ourselves in
Well the term resignation in its purest sense implies an undirected personal choice to quit
Whereas being fired in its purest sense implies having no choice of staying
But in the real world many if not most “resignations” are someone being given the choice TO quit when they dont want to or face being sacked AND publicly hummiliated in the process
So in this case as with many others both terms would be correct, the person would be sacked if they hadnt made the choice to quit so its not really a resignation in the true unforced sense of the word, its merely someone with NO real choice opting for the less publicly embarassing of the two options available to them, so its not really much of a choice at all
So, one of the news teams could have heard reliably that the person was being forced out and in effect sacked or more acurately “gottten rid of”, but the other one could prefer to just report the official statement that the person CHOSE to resign of their own free will with no pressure being applied
There can only be one official statement, but both versions can be totally true too
Sorry Fekky, I never noticed my typo till I read your response, it should (as it does now) have said SHOULDNT in capitals rather than should lol, it SHOULD make more sense now lol :oops: :wink:
Looks like it :lol:
