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You know what if the UK stopped dancing to the Yanks tune all the bloody time …
Yes the UK & US have in the not so distant past seen actual conflict but as in Iraq the Yanks did the same in Afghanistan …. soon as we arrived pulled their troops out !!!
Lets face it the US can’t be that strong if it needs the British forces covering its arse all the time.
All this could be stopped by the placing of 3 very good snipers to take Putin Trump & the Korean nutter out .
Problems solved.
If Britain goes to war with Russia, the whole island would be turned into a nuclear waste-dump within minutes.
Assuming that:
A. Russia is stupid enough to use nuclear weapons against another nuclear power
B. The Russian nuclear weapons still work
C. Our missle defenses don’t work
It ain’t going to happen because the UK is not an independent armed power. We rely on the US, and we do what the US tells us to do.
Only the nuclear submarines are American designed, the new navy planes are a joint project. Everything else is british made. American tanks use British designed armour, does that mean that the US isn’t an independently armed power?
That’s what we do. Britain had no interest in going to war with Afghanistan or Iraq, but we went to war because that’s what we do – what America tells us.
We went to war because Blair is a liar and a war criminal.
We went into the EU because America told us to. Kennedy insisted on it. That’s why de Gaulle wouldn’t let us into the EU, because he said we would be an American Trojan Horse.
Then why are we leaving it when the president (Obama at the time) told us not to?
We remain a major economic power (not the 5th biggest power, but it’s big).
5th by GDP, we were 6th for a few weeks but are back to 5th again.
But in deciding to reduce our trade with the EU (we’re just being frozen out of the multi-billion euro Galileo space project in which we were the primary beneficiaries;
Galileo is an ESA project, which isn’t part of the EU. We will still be one of ESA’s 22 members. Fake news, Scep.
apparently Frankfurt, not Paris, is winning the money that London is voluntarily giving up in the valuable Euro markets), we’re desperate for trade deals. India for one smells blood in the water.
WTO tarrifs would be less than the membership fees we pay to the EU, we can afford to walk away from unfavorable deals.
We’re particularly desperate for a trade deal with the US, which means that Boris Johnson is going to have to take it where it hurts from Trump, whenever Trump feels like it. As he said to one female contestant on his reality show, “you’d look pretty good facing the wall on your knees”.
I would be very supprised if Boris is still a cabinet minister after the general election. But as I said, we are not desperate. We don’t currently have a trade deal with the US, so nothing will change if we don’t agree to their terms.
America isn’t going to be doing us, or anyone, any favours. They will trade with us to gain money, and that’s why American companies are beginning to slaver over the NHS.
Again, which companies? The NHS completely dwarfs any individual US healthcare provider. They couldn’t afford to buy even parts of it, parts that aren’t even for sale.
i remember when the NHS and education was publicly owned and controlled, dedicated to providing health care and education above any demands for profit.
The NHS is publicly owned, what are you talking about? So are nearlly all schools.
Drac,
You should check your facts about the Galileo project and ask before you start accusing about fake news. Brussels is putting in place new rules for the latest phase of work on the project. The European Commission is demanding the right to cancel existing contracts without penalty if a supplier is no longer based in the EU. It is also insisting that any supplier ejected from the programme should repay all costs to the EU of finding a replacement. The UK will no longer be a member of the ESA once it leaves the EU – it will have to negotiate a new security relationship with the EU. The new rules mean that the UK will be frozen out of contracts even while remaining a EU member. Your ‘news’ that the UK is still a member of ESA is misleading. We’re still a member of the EU, but we leave in two years. At that point we leave the ESA unless we can renegotiate the security treaty.
You really have no clue as to the way trading works. Working by WTO rules, as you advocate, mean no deal – the hardest of brexits. It means that the terms of trade are totally against us. The WTO has made clear that every trade treaty since 1973 whihc Britain has been a part of will be null and void. Trading by WTO rules alone would be catastrophic for our economy. We are going to need trade deals in the modern world – the credit rating agencies are already pushing us down the lists from the top, and if we go into WTO rterritory we risk being pushed into junk status for credit risk. UKIP may be blithely unaware of this, but Mother Theresa is very aware of this!
I remember us having a statistical argument about whether Britain was 5th or 6th power with you before, and it came down to definition. I think it was you who made the correct point that PPP (purchasing Power parity) is the most accurate definition for raking countries, and the UK is 12th. I am not going over these past arguments about figures, when you then ignore them and go through a retread of false arguments when they jsut suit you.
Are you trying to be UKIP Defence Secretary in your discussion of nuclear war and Britain’s military power? Like your argument about the NHS, it doesn’t answer my points at all. Look at my argument more carefully, especially about the role of Capita, a private organisation working for profit within the NHS and Britain’s education system. The NHS and education farm out services and insurance where once these were virtually all publicly owned. The Americans have their eyes on this. This is a genuine concern, which is made in serious newspaper comment, and you need to read something other than the Breitbart news and address the actual points, not the points I’m not making.
You might want to look at post-war history to see that the UK has always followed US wishes, against the arguments of the Old Imperialist Right. I’ve seen cabinet papers form 1949 where British opposition to devaluation were overruled by US pressure. The collapse of the British military expedition to Suez in ’56was directly caused by US insistence that Britain stop; Britain took 48 hours to agree to the US demands, in spite of total British military success there.To place it all at the door of Blair’s personality may suit the UKIP mentality, but thank God that UKIP are going down the pan but quick.
The UK will no longer be a member of the ESA once it leaves the EU – it will have to negotiate a new security relationship with the EU. The new rules mean that the UK will be frozen out of contracts even while remaining a EU member. Your ‘news’ that the UK is still a member of ESA is misleading. We’re still a member of the EU, but we leave in two years. At that point we leave the ESA unless we can renegotiate the security treaty.
This is entirely false, I think you are confusing the European Space Program (ESP) with the European Space Agency (ESA). The ESA already has non-EU members, Norway, Finland and Switzerland. Removal of the UK from the program would be completely unjustified and would cripple the organisation as it would have to buy back the assets that we have shared ownership of.
You really have no clue as to the way trading works. WTO rules mean no deal – the hardest of brexits. It means that the terms of trade are totally against us. The WTO has made clear that every trade treaty since 1973 whihc Britain has been a part of will be null and void. Trading by WTO rules alone would be catastrophic for our economy. UKIP mauy be blithely unaware of this, but Mother Theresa is very aware of this!
We are trading with the US under WTO rules now Scep. In regards to the EU, there will be a trade deal, they have tarrif free access for goods already with Canada and Turkey. There is no reason why we can’t have at least a good of a deal, we are a lot bigger ecconomy than either, and the trade is already in place.
Are you trying to be UKIP Defence Secretary in your discussion of nuclear war and Britain’s military power?
Was anything I said wrong?
Look at my argument more carefully about the role of Capita, a private organisation working for profit within the NHS and Britain’s education system. The NHS and education farm out services and insurance where once these were virtually all publicly owned. The Americans have their eyes on this.
I don’t care if the NHS is privatised, it’s next to usless for me. Nearly all of my healthcare is private because the NHS either won’t provide it all, or I have to wait months before I can even speak to someone. If the NHS was the only option then I would be dead several times over by now.
This is a genuine concern, whihc is made in serious newspaper comment, and you need to read something other than the Breitbart news and address the actual points, not the points I’m not making.
I don’t read Breitbart. They try to protect christianity too much. I want religion to disapear entirely. I don’t have time for their nonsense.
This is entirely false, I think you are confusing the European Space Program (ESP) with the European Space Agency (ESA). The ESA already has non-EU members, Norway, Finland and Switzerland. Removal of the UK from the program would be completely unjustified and would cripple the organisation as it would have to buy back the assets that we have shared ownership of.
Also Canada is a ‘cooperating member’ of ESA. Canada, the country in North America. Fairly certain that isn’t an EU member either.
I can find no information from anyone in ESA that suggests the UK would no longer be allowed membership, only speculation from external entities. So I think calling this fake news was accurate.
Read my points more accurately, drac, if you’re going to answer them. Answer the pints I make, not the points you want me to make, if you’re going to start accusing me of false news.
The UK as a member of the ESA could be suspended from contracts it holds for the Galileo space project, and be forced to pay for the EU finding replacements. The UK will cease to be a member of the ESA when it leaves the EU. UNLESS it renegotiates a security agreement whihc will allow it to continue as a member, or unless the EU agrees to give it an associate membership. Even under the latter, the rules suspending to contracts with the Galileo project hold.
It’s getting exhausting having to continually correct your understanding of my arguments, and your use of that misunderstanding to accuse me of being a liar.
If the news is wrong in any way, then let me know how, but my sources are very good, and I would want equally good sources before I agree. Until then, stop accusing me of using false news about arguments I’m not making.
Do you agree that the UK is forced to follow US foreign and often economic policy? The UK is going to be desperate for a US trade deal – that’s no big revelation of mine. The US is going to be putting America First – that is a quote from your hero, Donald Duck, who never said that Britain is first in the queue (Paul Ryan is starting to say that, mind you, perhaps aware of the awful situation Britain might be finding itself in March, 2019). The Americans don’t exist to do us favours.
If the news is wrong in any way, then let me know how, but my sources are very good, and I would want equally good sources before I agree. Until then, stop accusing me of using false news about arguments I’m not making.
Please provide me with some of your very good sources.
Politics has no place in science, if anything you said is actually true then ESA should be immediately defunded, and is likely doomed to failure.
Do you agree that the UK is forced to follow US foreign and often economic policy? The UK is going to be desperate for a US trade deal – that’s no big revelation of mine. The US is going to be putting America First – that is a quote from your hero, Donald Duck, who never said that Britain is first in the queue (Paul Ryan is starting to say that, mind you, perhaps aware of the awful situation Britain might be finding itself in March, 2019). The Americans don’t exist to do us favours.
No, the UK and US both make the same mistakes in foreign policy. Not because either was forced to but because of poor leadership on both parts. The ecconomic policies are fairly different however.
Bites my tongue over Drac’s scathing comments re the NHS.
All I will say is that unless you are EXTREMLY unlucky if your medical conditions are serious you get treated as urgent or in the case of Cancer seen by a consultant within 2 weeks! 😠
All I will say is that unless you are EXTREMLY unlucky if your medical conditions are serious you get treated as urgent or in the case of Cancer seen by a consultant within 2 weeks! 😠
This isn’t something I am prepared to discuss in public.
All I will say is that unless you are EXTREMLY unlucky if your medical conditions are serious you get treated as urgent or in the case of Cancer seen by a consultant within 2 weeks! 😠
This isn’t something I am prepared to discuss in public.
I dare say it isn’t & nor should you.
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