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I don’t know enough about the BNP to make a judgement on this one.
They are a registered political party and freedom of speech is still (only just though) a part of our culture.
I know the establishment tried to put some BNP members behind bars for expressing their opinions whereas Tony Blair totally escaped punishment for taking us into an illegal war.
You have to accept that every country has its nationalists and they are entitled to an opinion.
As for Blair – I think the damage he has wreaked on this country is far more worrying than the issue of the BNP.Sir Actor
Nationalists I can deal with (Plaid Cymru, SNP etc)
“Whites only” nationalists are the objection
However they appeal to a section of our society which, for lots of reasons, is currently disenfranchised and seeking to feel potent rather than impotent
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Sir Actor
Nationalists I can deal with (Plaid Cymru, SNP etc)
“Whites only” nationalists are the objection
However they appeal to a section of our society which, for lots of reasons, is currently disenfranchised and seeking to feel potent rather than impotent
Would white Polish immigrants be welcome by the BNP then?
And why – if the BNP is a racist party – haven’t they been banned? :-kSir A
Reading the BNP mission statement, the exact wording is
“Celts, Anglo-Saxons, Danes, Norse and closely related kindred peoples”
Poles? Nah, they’d view them as Slavic probably
Is the BNP racist? I certainly find it objectionable that they call ANYONE who isnt white and British “legally here” as opposed to British citizens
Does that make them racist or simply pro white? I think the above sentence is quite clear, IMO and we won’t go into the repatriation policy they have :wink:
Anyway, still be interesting to see the outcome of todays elections
the b.n.p are racist. they simply say that the muslim community are devisive, and are racist. they are also over 70percent unemployed,and should not be here. they have no intention of integrating, and are determined to turn britain into a country for the caliphate. they will deny, terrorise and lie their way in until they are the dominant people here. then they will wage jihad, just as they did in bosnia. darfur,and most of sub saharan africa. the bnp want them out of britain, and so do a lot of other people. but wether they are coloured or not, if you speak out about the muslim sect, you are branded a racist. this is why they are stil allowed to force their children into marriage. [2000 girls disappeared last year from english schools] to be shipped to pakistan and married off. they carry on honour killing and say its cultural. and we have no redress. thay circumsise small girls, often with dedly results. and always barbaric. but they say again its cultural. well its cultural in england to speak your mind, but not against muslims or your a racist.the b.n.p simply want rid of the muslims and coloureds. end of.
Wasp
You’re last sentence is the true crux of the bnp- “they want rid of muslims n coloureds.end of”
Thats why the bnp will never be more than a fringe party who shout much louder than they can hit
I can’t say I’d disagree with anyone who says this country, for better or worse, is what it is n if you don’t like it then please leave the light on when you leave however to simply say ALL muslims n coloureds out guarrantees them failure which is fine by me
I don’t think thier any worst than the rest.
Politicals is all bullsh1t anyway, they say one thing and do the other.
The system needs a shake up, we can’t keep having the same partys and the same kind of people running the state over and over again.
I can’t remember a time when the UK was not in some kind of trouble.
The 3 party system needs to go.
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@slayer wrote:
Sir Actor
Nationalists I can deal with (Plaid Cymru, SNP etc)
“Whites only” nationalists are the objection
However they appeal to a section of our society which, for lots of reasons, is currently disenfranchised and seeking to feel potent rather than impotent
Would white Polish immigrants be welcome by the BNP then?
And why – if the BNP is a racist party – haven’t they been banned? :-kthey havent because they arent. they are anti muslim and anti immigration.
First of all Slayer, thank you for your welcome. It is appreciated. Apologies for the delay – I have been out of the country for some time and I decided that the only emails I would check would be work related!
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LDM
On the BNP issue, the majority of people in this country care not one jot what creed, colour or race you are…if you’re English mate then I’m afraid you’re stuck with it. You wave the flag, you sing God save the Queen (unless you’re a republican that is), cheer for whichever footie team takes your fancy, slate whichever government is in power as being incompetent etc etcOn this point – I never said I was English – I said I was British :)
And I am a Republican – why should I accept a society where an accident of birth confers superiority? I respect achievement and ability – not Hanoverian roots!
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In other words, you don’t have to justify to me why you’re English….you just are n thats it- whether you like it or not!
See above!
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What most English people (of all colours, creed etc) find disturbing is a mass unplanned immigration with no cohesive national policy on education, health, housing, law and order etc. hence some communities have been changed beyond recognition by uncontrolled immigration.
I agree that immigration needs to be controlled, however, why do you feel the need to excuse the reaction of those sections of society that are unable to deal with the realities of a changing world?
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Whether we are a power house economy does not detract from the fact that certain sections of our society struggle to make a positive impact (British Pakistani/Bangladeshi contribute less in taxes and take more in benefit than virtually every other community- British Indian contribute more in taxes and take less in benefit than virtually every section of the community including white british).
Agreed, but I do not see what your point has to be with my post.
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As for the BNP- its too simplistic to say BNP supporters are those who are unable to progress and unable to accept responsibility for the dire lives they lead totally fails to understand wholesale societal disenfranchisement and impotency at massive enviromental changes (personal and impersonal) and is a typical corporate view- it is no different that me saying British Pakistani Islamic radicalisation is caused by their total failure to integrate into British society and accept a British way of life and only seeing an outlet through trying to create something they understand from something they don’t
I see no problem with my saying that BNP supporters use their raison d’etre as an excuse for the ills of this nation. I also see your statement regarding the radicalisation of Pakistani muslim youth to integrate into the the zeitgeist opinion of what it means to be British as totally valid. The fact is that that with the BNP you do have a group of peope who are looking for a reason to explain failure – and in the Pakistani muslim youth you are seeing a diaspora shorn of any sort of grounding. The country they are in rejects them, the people around them appear victims, the only unconditional love they have left is of an unseen God, offering salvation from life’s pains. They hanker for something to believe in and the peddler’s of religion offer them hope, they offer them redemption. Like any section of society stripped of the ability to control their own lives, stripped of direction, stripped of self determination – they seek contro
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As for poltiical correctness- classic failure to understand the hostility towards political correctness is nothign to do with race, colour or creed and everythign to do with with the failure to understand that Christmas is Christmas and if you don’t like, then Im really really sorry but you’ll have to learn to live with it- I wouldnt wish to call Diwali by some other name and neither would I wish to call Christmas by some other name- thats called living together harmoniously and not bending over backwards to accomodate once culture AT THE EXPENSE of another
My problem is not with political correctness – it is with political correctness couched as bigotry.
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PC breeds discontent because it’s barkingly stupid- being anti PC is nothign to do with supporting the BNP
Who said the two were linked intrinsically? My point was that the BNP have been given a valve by those that feel being anti-PC is some sort of holy grail.
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And yes I do know all about minorities- my kids have a BWI mother and I’m white through n through :wink: (although I do have a little welsh in me somewhere)
And?
Guys, the BNP are a legitimate party, love it or hate it. Until they are banned they have a democratic right to push their issues forward. All the other parties hate them with a passion, but they cannot be removed on the grounds that they break NO British rules. They are no more extreme, in fact less, than those that bomb us and leave us in a country of fear. In fact they are no more extreme then the party that governs this country on the fear ticket, they are just more upfront. Until such time that the BNP is outlawed, live with it, it is part of our democracy. You don’t have to put the X in the box and we can all live safely… agreed?
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