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Do you agree with the deportation of criminal immigrants ?
Do we need tougher justice generally?the human rights say it could be dangerous for them to be deported but dont you think that if there was more serious consequences for your criminal actions there would be less crime in the first place,they make the choice to do the crime they should accept the consequences.
Perhaps it’s the first step to proper justice (not just for immigrants, i’m not racist)Especially for violent crime wouldn’t this deter future foreign criminals ??
Moving onto non immigrant criminals and less crowded prisons.
Bring back national service, to teach people discipline and decency, instead of taxpayers feeding clothing and housing them until they are released usually after less than a third of their sentence, to come out and reoffend.Tell me if you agree or re- educate me on my viewpoints please
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Should any non British citizen break the law sufficiently to warrant a prison sentence, then deportation should be the only consideration.
Whether they be Irish, Dutch, Danish, Somali, Kosovan, etc etc- I welcome anyone to this country (as seen from previous threads) but abuse the law then homeward bound it is.
I don’t think that criminal immigrants should be deported per se. Many of them have come here to escape persecution so what would be the sense in sending them back to their possible death? If that is the policy, we might as well just shoot them here and save the flight costs. That said, for major crimes, immigrants should certainly have their entitlement to stay reviewed and, where there is clearly no danger to life, then deportation should certainly be a consideration.
I think it is wrong of the Home Secretary to pander to the whims of the hysterical press by saying he will deport any immigrant guilty of committing a crime. Labour (well, any government) should focus on getting tough on crime like they always say they will. It would be silly to think the number of immigrants reoffending whilst on parole is anywhere near as high as the number of ‘natural’ UK citizens doing the same thing. Get tough on them all I say and ffs stop fannying about – I think most people have lost faith in the criminal justice system.
On the subject of National Service, I am sure it would help bring some discipline into people’s lives but do we really want a bunch of lunatic young offenders running around with weapons? They should have discipline instilled into their system (by parents and society) from a very young age – not leave them until they’re nearly 20 and try to force them to change their ways. Apart from that, the days of Army Instructors beating the cr@p out of recruits to ‘teach’ them discipline have (sadly perhaps) long gone.
Have to disagree on this one James
I am happy to recognise the positives that immigration has brought to this country. However the fact that you have escaped persecution or civil unrest does not hold any sway should you commit a crime here which is serious enough to warrant incarceration.
The only outcome should be prison sentence and then immediate deportation. I don’t see any middle ground on this one- I do not feel any responsibility for anyone who may be deported back to a country which is not as secure, safe or stable as ours-
just like speeding, you can complain all you like, but if everyone drove to the speed limit, there would be no speeding tickets! If you don’t commit a crime in a country which has welcomed you, then you won’t find yourself going home!
On the subject of National Service, I am sure it would help bring some discipline into people’s lives but do we really want a bunch of lunatic young offenders running around with weapons? They should have discipline instilled into their system (by parents and society) from a very young age – not leave them until they’re nearly 20 and try to force them to change their ways. Apart from that, the days of Army Instructors beating the cr@p out of recruits to ‘teach’ them discipline have (sadly perhaps) long gone.[/quote]
Sorry James that was my poor correspondance i meant national service instead of things like useless ASBO’s which are more like a badge to be proud of nowadays amongst the young,and community service can be performed by these people so they give things back to the society they have wronged.
And NO dont give them guns, let them do the basic training and yes let the army officer give them beastings just as ball breaking as any beating, alot of young offenders especially have good brains and courage thats could help to train them into useful serving members of our forces there is more to the army than running @ with guns lol they can learn trades while learning respectability discipline and respect.Slayer wrote:Have to disagree on this one JamesI am happy to recognise the positives that immigration has brought to this country. However the fact that you have escaped persecution or civil unrest does not hold any sway should you commit a crime here which is serious enough to warrant incarceration.
I agree they know the risk they take commiting the crime the nationality is irrelevant it is the fact they are abusing our country when we have helped them in the first place which im quite in agreement with i might add, alot are decent human beings grateful for our assistance and wouldnt dream of abusing that, by biting the hand that feeds so to speak.
It’s the classic double whammy F
1) Do you think young thugs should be taught the meaning of respect, discipline and self control, the meaning of working as a team and relying on others- do you think National service is a good thing?
2) Do you think we should train young thugs how to kill with their bare hands, abuse and dehumanise them and then let them loose on society? Do you think national service is a good thing?
Same question but likely very different answers
@slayer wrote:
It’s the classic double whammy F
1) Do you think young thugs should be taught the meaning of respect, discipline and self control, the meaning of working as a team and relying on others- do you think National service is a good thing?
2) Do you think we should train young thugs how to kill with their bare hands, abuse and dehumanise them and then let them loose on society? Do you think national service is a good thing?
Same question but likely very different answers
OK a reformed national service for the 21st century just number 1 lol, but beastings of the humane type dosent dehumanise or abuse it teaches right from wrong they wont choose to have them out of choice they would rather toe the line better than lashes anyway lol ok maybe slight exaggeration but you get my drift.
np Slayer – but whilst I agree that every immigrant committing a crime serious enough to warrant a prison sentence (whether imprisoned or not btw) should be reviewed with a view to deportation, it doesn’t mean that those with genuine fear of retribution in their home country should be deported. The majority, however, should lose the right to remain.
The Army can only have so many people poli and I don’t think we should deny anyone who wants to make the Army his/her career a place just to cater for criminals. Neither can we allow Army Officers the right to ‘beast’ criminals more than normal recruits – they would sue the Army and the Officers would all leave, either after court martial or by choice – and normal recruits don’t get ‘beasted’ anymore.
There was talk of ‘boot camps’ being set up a couple of years ago (I think as a trial) but i don’t know what the outcome was. I suspect the instructors all got sued and are in the glass house peeling potatoes whilst the yobs are out spending their compensation money on stella and tongue-piercings (erm..probably). :roll:
@james Belfast wrote:
np Slayer – but whilst I agree that every immigrant committing a crime serious enough to warrant a prison sentence (whether imprisoned or not btw) should be reviewed with a view to deportation, it doesn’t mean that those with genuine fear of retribution in their home country should be deported. The majority, however, should lose the right to remain.
The Army can only have so many people poli and I don’t think we should deny anyone who wants to make the Army his/her career a place just to cater for criminals. Neither can we allow Army Officers the right to ‘beast’ criminals more than normal recruits – they would sue the Army and the Officers would all leave, either after court martial or by choice – and normal recruits don’t get ‘beasted’ anymore.
There was talk of ‘boot camps’ being set up a couple of years ago (I think as a trial) but i don’t know what the outcome was. I suspect the instructors all got sued and are in the glass house peeling potatoes whilst the yobs are out spending their compensation money on stella and tongue-piercings (erm..probably). :roll:
no i agree @ army career james thats why the criminals would go to a national service type thing or boot camp or whateva title, there is plenty of community service they could do as part of there service with in it.
And why cant army officers offer beastings to criminals because we have got too soft on em thats why!! they done the crime im sorry they should do the time not lounge around in prison on taxpayers money.
I know if anyone commited a violent offence to any of my loved ones i wouldnt have any qualms @ them getting beasted they need breaking in ,and what other way is there?? let them get 15 years do 6 which involves getting all the necessities in life and comforts grrr then let out to do it again, why bother incarcerating them in first place costing us money.
Let them pay society back,i’d bring back rock breaking in ball and chains if i had my way lol
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