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well hi people , had to join the post on this one and i feel the need for
any criminal to ‘ do the time for the crime ‘ is long overdue now !
wether it be a national or an immigrant it has no difference but as we
need some form of punishment now to serve as a lesson to offenders
then the time for talking has gone and the time for a serious and
major over haul of the British criminal and justice system is now !As for British nationals offending yes there is no difference between
them and immigrants bar ONE they are welcomed glady into our
country to be given help assistance money food jobs houses ( the list
is quite endless ) and this is at tax payers expenses also and
seemingly because they are at threat in the home land from which they
come, but alas the system of dealing with non nationals is far too
lenient as thay are ‘ guests’ and are not so easy to track , i can give
you many instances of immigrants here as they face serious peril
who offend with serious crimes of murder who when are sought to be
found are not here and ahve returned to ‘ face peril in the
afore-mentioned home land !!!!!!!!!!!!!! some system ?
well the ‘do – gooders ‘ are not likely to be offended against by criminals
but the people who are offended against have no say in this matter but
i think they should have. A referendum is required i feel on such topics
and to this end i think we need to find a quick track to abolish laws that
are outdated now and to start again and use the new laws to sort
out many issues . thank you.@rubyred wrote:
/awaits with baited breath at the NEXT post,,good greif its tedious in here !
Well im sure your interesting input has alleviated the tedium ty
Poshy wrote:I have a question relating to this.. (and it’s too late to google) …When immigrants are welcomed to Britain … are they told that if they commit a crime they will be deported back? ]
Difficult to answer as so many immigrants enter illegally via trafficking so probably are not ACTUALLY told but…
In the UK, the 1971 Immigration Act allowed for the deportation of foreign nationals if they were suspected of endangering national security or committing a serious criminal offence. What seems to be happening today, however, is an expansion of the definition of what constitutes a threat to national security. Today, espousing anti-western sentiments, questioning integration, voicing illiberal sentiments, advocating discrimination against specific groups in society all come under the definition of a ‘national security’ threat, warranting deportation.
So i suppose the answer is yes ignorance is not a defence against the law,if they commit the crime they should be deported according to immigration laws.@poshy wrote:
OK thanks…
If they are illegal…. surely they are not receiving benefits etc.. and would they not be deported anyway if not granted asylum or the right to live in Britain??
I think there is a difference between those refugee immigrants granted asylum from dangerous, life threatening regimes and others who have chosen to emigrate from their own land who then commit crimes – who perhaps in fact immigrate with that intention?
I think that, for people who become British by way of immigration, the same laws should apply to them as to natural born Britons.
I do think though that there is a reasonable right to remove from British society … and tax burden … people who arrive intending to cause trouble.
I also think that immigrants should realise that their acceptance is based on their commitment to full integration to their new (and chosen) society – and that they risk losing their right to stay if they do not abide by the rules and laws of that society.
yes i agree there should be the right to remove them if they dont comply with our laws.
That said there are a lot of legal immigrants who enrich our society who dont commit crime.That said takes me back to my original thread
A immigrant commiting murder is no worse than a national comitting murder and they need to be reformed after sentence via national service boot camp type thing not just get away scot free to re offend.In general, foreign nationals who have committed serious or medium-level crimes should be deported after serving their sentences.
There should be safeguards against them being returned to countries where they face undue persecution but to a certain extent it’s a case of ‘tough, they should have thought of that before they committed the crime!’.
But sometimes people are subject to laws that extend across national boundaries.
Take a hypothetical case: A Saudi citizen in UK converts from islam to communism and is convicted of inciting hatred against muslims in the UK.
After serving a sentence in a UK jail, if he were deported to Saudi Arabia he would probably face the death penalty for apostacy (leaving islam) under sharia law.@bassingbourne55 wrote:
Take a hypothetical case: A Saudi citizen in UK converts from islam to communism and is convicted of inciting hatred against muslims in the UK.
After serving a sentence in a UK jail, if he were deported to Saudi Arabia he would probably face the death penalty for apostacy (leaving islam) under sharia law.Its a tough one indeed, but then should we accept people of any nationality/ religion inciting hatred against anyone, Iknow it seems a tough consequence if he was deported back to Saudia but he would know the consequences and choose to take the risk when inciting that hatred.
but it’s a very good point thx :D :D@slayer wrote:
It’s the classic double whammy F
1) Do you think young thugs should be taught the meaning of respect, discipline and self control, the meaning of working as a team and relying on others- do you think National service is a good thing?
2) Do you think we should train young thugs how to kill with their bare hands, abuse and dehumanise them and then let them loose on society? Do you think national service is a good thing?
Same question but likely very different answers
I sometimes wonder which planet you are from Slayer – you must live in a quiet village somewhere !!
Your views on National Service are almost as bad as your views on immigrants and economicsThese so called young thugs that you apparently no nothing about – go around as high as kites on drugs and drink – carrying all sorts of weapons . Do you honestly think National Service won’t help – course it will – bring back the birch too – then see how tough the cooonts are
@tommy-toxen wrote:
why only immigrant criminals??
send them all to Rhodesia, born here or not, criminals aren’t welcome in the British Isles!!
LOL tommy hence the need for a type of national service for reforming ALL criminals it aint fair to send our baddens abroad to other countries its up to us to punish and /or reform them.
Same as it the countries of immigrants responsiblity to punish/reform there nationals :D :DJames Belfast wrote:I don’t think that criminal immigrants should be deported per se. Many of them have come here to escape persecution so what would be the sense in sending them back to their possible death? quote]So they come here and persecute us? Makes sense now.
@tommy-toxen wrote:
Criminals don’t have the right to life.
So who cares if they’re executed?? their own fault for raping a young girl or mugging an OAP.
National Service won’t work for criminals, although I agree with it being compulsory for 16-18 year olds.
But criminals, meh, will be cheaper just to line them up for a firing squad to deal with them. Throw their bodies into a ditch somewhere and burn ’em. They don’t even deserve a Christian burial.
Criminals were born evil, you can’t teach a criminal to be “good”.
The only way to rid of criminals is to execute them. They aren’t human beings so it’s not like it’s killing or anything.
Agreed, if they behave as animals then they should be treated as such.
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