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Somer,

I didn’t come out with anything like that because Gerry (unlike  Sophia) never said that we were getting away from the main point of the thread, and should be talking about grooming. If he had, I would have gently pointed out that he was on a tangent, but like Sophia he has every right to say what he likes.

I liked what he was saying,…[Read more]

Sophia,

that isn’t actually the main subject of the thread, which is about who is to blame for the death of Shamima Begum’s baby. This has been quite closely argued out, The legality of not allowing Shamima to return is a closely connected topic.

You’re travelling along a tangent on whether the girls were groomed or not.

They are not angels -…[Read more]

Somer,

from one who bangs on about human rights (as well as the EU),

the British woman jailed in Iran is an awful case. It’s been caught up in international politics, unfortunately, so the rights and the wrongs of her argument go by the board.

The only lesson I can see is that if you get caught up in these problems, it’s damned difficult…[Read more]

and the buck stopped with Javid.

he made the decision.

The consequence was that the baby died.

Right or wrong about Shemima Begum (and it’s almost certainly illegal), the consequence was the death of the baby.

His heart, like everyone else’s, might go out to the baby, and crocodile tears galore may be shed, but he’s responsible for the baby’s…[Read more]

Well, one reason, Somer.

She’s British.

If the Dutch give her nationality, then they would be responsible, and we would have none.

But they didn’t.

When she eventually returns, she’ll be held to account for any crimes committed, and treated like any other British criminal. She’ll then be monitored like all the other jihadists and ex-jihadists…[Read more]

Linda and Nem, you both make the same basic point – that the baby’s death was the mother’s responsibility – and you’re both dead wrong.

The State does have a moral responsibility to protect children from dying, especially the children who are part of the nation – they do in the UK, anyway. That’s why making someone stateless is illegal under i…[Read more]

Hmmm….

something certainly smells…

Now let’s say that the third woman also has a baby, or a toddler. And she wants to come home. And the baby/toddler is also in danger.

Not inconceivable. In one camp just set up outside the last ISIS stronghold in Syria, 62 children have died .

Now what is the reaction? You still going to let the…[Read more]

She said that she had never seen beheadings, but she did say that seeing a pile of heads in a bin hadn’t fazed her because they were enemies of Islam. She wasn’t exactly helping her cause with those statements.

But who’s to say she’s telling the truth?

The fact is, nem, that none of us know, watching her from afar.

And there are several…[Read more]

I’m not sure that her support of a death cult is good enough reason for killing her baby.

She would almost certainly have been separated from the baby whatever her wishes on her return to the UK.

And she will almost certainly return to the UK for one simple reason. That sleazebag Javid (who proved he was a real man when it comes to sizing up…[Read more]

i didn’t even know that James Hunt was a racing driver.

Sorry for the typo, but the point still holds.

You assume far too much.

I lost interest in rock music about 1980, not music. I still play about 3 bands, and the interest I developed in contemporary music (among other brands) is almost at a halt, but not because of age.

It’s to do with…[Read more]

I’ve never heard of James Blunt, so I gave him a listen on YouTube.

I thought he was horribly pretentious and musically boring, but I’m no longer a fan of rock and pop music, so I asked someone who is more in tune with today.

He told me I was right, and that James Hunt has become Cockney rhyming slang.

Sorry for offending his fans, but it’s an…[Read more]

Linda, yes, I’m for real.

What’s the problem in answering a serious post about T.S.Eliot?

I’ve always distanced myself from the cruel comments of AD, but I’ve also said that I respond to her poetry and her serious comments.

She can be cruel, but there’s been a lot of cruelty in jc over the years. I left the chat rooms years ago – rarely go back…[Read more]

It’s a baby, fgs!

We are supposed to be better than ISIS!!

You claim to hate terror, but the example you set can only inspire a deep and unforgiving hatred. Terror creates terror.

We going to be leaving babies naked in the snow next because their parents are wrong ‘uns?

I’d like to endorse AD’s post on the importance of poetry.

The serious posts here degenerate so often into nasty personal attacks and hypocrisy.

I’ll keep plugging away on them, and I will try to avoid the personal abuse, but I do hit hard when it comes to argument, and people had better get used to that or get the hell out of the kitchen.…[Read more]

clown personality disorder

LOL RATP ROFLMQAO GHR OKR TGW PRK

Now that’s what I call banter.

Does q mean by abuse something different from what I mean?

I’ve had a go at people, yes, but I’ve not abused people in that I’ve not sent photos of people without their consent, or sought to embarrass people by issuing lies (or the truth) about their…[Read more]