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Haven’t met a muslim in the uk?… lol what planet are you on? The country is infested with them in every town and if any muslim told me how to behave I’d teach them a lesson.
Not every muslim is an islamist
Violence isn’t the answer either, see my earlier comments about nazis.
The reality is being ” islamaphobic ” is a positive thing rather than it being construed as a ” negative”.
I don’t generally respond to accusations of islamophobia, it isn’t a real thing. The term was invented by the Muslim Brotherhood to shut down criticisms of Islam. To people who use the term I would as you, do you call criticism of Christianity ‘christophobia’? If you don’t, then why not?
Quite amusing that sceptical guy has continually criticised drac but begged her to become friends on here.. a typical seedy sex pest trolling the forum only after one thing I suspect
I don’t remember that happening, but I certainly wouldn’t describe him as a sex pest.
As I suspected, a silly little boy, a coward and an uneducated racist chav who is all mouth and trousers online. Rotherham you say (which you can’t spell being a thicko). An online bullsh@tter and a silly silly silly little boy.
Why do you disregard what happened in Rotherham so easily? It is a good example, and warning of what will happen if islamists and fundementalist muslims are allowed to go unchallenged.
The rate of sexual offences from Muslims in the Uk is disproportionately high per person compared to other groups …why is that many ask?
Crime rates are always higher in any self-segregating community, the child abuse does seem to be uniquely islamic though I will admit.
It really seems like it’s you who doesn’t understand what Sharia law is. Most of the ‘credible’ media portrays Sharia as being positive. Saudi Arabia isn’t representative of how all muslims behave, but it is certainly representative of Sharia. All moderate muslims oppose the introduction Sharia, and for a very good reason.
I have read the Quran and the Hadiths, and I have spoken to several muslims and ex-muslims about it. Islam promotes both violence and paedophilia there is no way to deny it.
To clarify, I do not believe there are any parts of Sharia that are compatible with either our culture or legal systems.
I have taken the following laws from here, because it was the first neutral source I found that gave a concise descriptions. There are more laws with Sharia but I will only address the ones included on that page for now.
“A Muslim woman can only marry a Muslim man and a Muslim man can only marry a Muslim or Ahl al-Kitāb . He/She cannot marry an atheist, agnostic or polytheist.”
Dictating which consenting adults are allowed to marry should not be part of the legal system.
“A Muslim minor girl’s father or guardian needs her consent when arranging a marriage for her.”Marriage should not be arranged, or permited for ‘minors’.
“A marriage is a contract that requires the man to pay, or promise to pay some of the wedding and provisions the wife needs. This is known as the Mahr or Meher.”This is a rare case where women are given special protections under Islam, but I don’t think it is fair that anyone is required to pay money based on their gender.
“A Muslim man may be married to up to four women at a time, although the Qur’an has emphasized that this is a permission, and not a rule. The Qur’an has stated that to marry one is best if you fear you cannot do justice between your wives and respective families. This means that he must be able to house each wife and her children in a different house, he should not give preferential treatment to one wife over another.”I don’t have a problem with polygamy, but multiple husbands should also be allowed.
“Hudud crimes are five:theft, highway robbery, zina (illicit sex), sexual slander (accusing someone of zina but failing to produce four witnesses), and drinking alcohol”
Zina (Sex outside of marriage) and alcohol should be legal.
“Sharia requires that there be four adult male Muslim witnesses to a hudud crime or a confession repeated four times, before someone can be punished for a Hudud crime.”
This means that DNA or CCTV evidence cannot be used to convict someone of theft if there are less than four whitnesses.
“Murder, bodily injury and property damage – intentional or unintentional – is considered a civil dispute under sharia law.<sup>”</sup>
Murder should be a legal dispute, not a civil one.
“The victim, victim’s heir(s) or guardian is given the option to either forgive the murderer, demand Qisas (equal retaliation) or accept a compensation (Diyya) in lieu of the murder, bodily injury or property damage. Under sharia law, the Diyya compensation received by the victim or victim’s family is in cash.”
This effectively allows rich people (or businesses) to get away with murder.
“Theft (stealing) is a hudud crime in sharia, with a fixed punishment. If the accused meets the 19 conditions of his act of thievery, his/her hands or feet will be cut off.”
Removal of body parts is not an acceptable punishment for anything, and wastes medical resouces that could be used to treat other people.
“Sharia law states that if either an unmarried man or an unmarried woman has pre-marital sex, the punishment should be 100 lashes.<sup id=”cite_ref-8″ class=”reference”>[8]</sup><sup id=”cite_ref-9″ class=”reference”>[9]</sup> There are some requirements that need to be met before this punishment can happen. For example, the punishment cannot happen unless the person confesses, or unless four eyewitnesses each saw, at the same time, the man and the woman in the action of illicit sex. Those who accuse someone of illicit sex but fail to produce four eyewitnesses are guilty of false accusation and their punishment is 80 lashes.<sup id=”cite_ref-10″ class=”reference”>[10]</sup> Maliki school of sharia considers pregnancy in an unmarried woman as sufficient evidence that she committed the hudud crime of zina.<sup id=”cite_ref-11″ class=”reference”>[11]</sup><sup id=”cite_ref-12″ class=”reference”>[12]</sup> The Hadiths consider homosexuality as zina.<sup>”</sup>
I have already convered unmarried sex, but lashing is also not a punishment that is acceptable. This would also outlaw homosexuality, which is wrong.
“The punishment for apostasy is thought to be death by several schools of Muslim thought.”
Not believing in Allah should not be illegal.
“There are two festivals that are considered Sunnah.<sup id=”cite_ref-14″ class=”reference”>[14]</sup>
Religious festivals should not be legally enforced.
“Islamic law lists only some specific foods and drinks that are not allowed.<sup id=”cite_ref-die_18-0″ class=”reference”>[18]</sup>
- Pork, blood, and scavenged meat are not allowed. People are also not allowed to eat animals that were slaughtered in the name of someone other than Allah.
- Intoxicants (like alcoholic drinks and drugs) are not allowed generally.“
There is no reason to ban the consumption of pork or alcohol. Drugs are also illegal, but I don’t think some of them should be.
“There are some specific rules regarding the killing of animals in Islam.
- The animal must be killed in the most humane way: by swiftly cutting the throat.
- The animal must not be diseased.
- The animal must not have been exposed to feces, worms, and other impurities.
- All blood must drain from the animal before being packaged.”
Cutting the throat of an animal is not the most humane way to kill it. The other parts are already included in food safety regulations.
I really don’t understand why people are afraid of the “Sharia law” when they don’t even know what it stands for? All they know is what the media has chosen to spread, making Saudi Arabia and the extremist groups as the representatives of Islam, when the first is mostly governed by traditions and the second use religion to get other purposes than valuating Islam, just like the extremist groups in any other religion. Before talking about hatred, terrorism and pedophilia in Islam just take some time and read about it with open mind, not making prejudice from afar.
It really seems like it’s you who doesn’t understand what Sharia law is. Most of the ‘credible’ media portrays Sharia as being positive. Saudi Arabia isn’t representative of how all muslims behave, but it is certainly representative of Sharia. All moderate muslims oppose the introduction Sharia, and for a very good reason.
I have read the Quran and the Hadiths, and I have spoken to several muslims and ex-muslims about it. Islam promotes both violence and paedophilia there is no way to deny it.
As to you final words, why don’t you toddle off to the Middle East and join the “freedom fighters” in Syria and Iraq, or do you just prefer to talk about it safely online?
“Join ISIS to fight radical islam” … I don’t see any problems with that plan.
drac, I’m not willfully misreading your posts, but I’m ceasing to take them seriously.
Scep, your entire post is just a demonstration of how you are misreading what I have said.
You claimed Communists were behind the march, showing a pic of anarchists breaking windows.
No, I didn’t. I said that one of the organisers of the march was an islamist. Which you know I talked about because to mention her later. I just said that communists were there, not that they were behind it.
When i pointed out to you that they were a small number of anarchists the day before the march,, you react with a huge pic of a red-and-black flag, saying this is the flag of anarcho-communism (who were violently suppressed by the Communists in their day – which was a very long time ago).
You said they weren’t communists because they had black flags, so I showed you the flag they were carrying (which was a communist flag).
You then read all sorts of things into tweets by Linda Sarsour, one of the three organisers, claiming that two million people marched under the influence of a jihadi plot.
I’m not reading anything into them, they are very specific and clear on what she thinks about Sharia law.
The fact that she was brought in as a face to represent the Muslim community in America as an attempt at inclusiveness (why is the Latina woman organiser not as important in your posts – she’s not mentioned) isn’t looked at.
Because as far as I know of she doesn’t promote Sharia law, or attack muslims who want to reform Islam over social media (which Linda has done).
The fact that some Muslims demonstrated in Germany chanting ‘allahu akbar’ is then brought in – what in hell is that supposed to mean> There are many Muslims in Germany, Muslims hate the Chump, should they have been kept out in the way that Chump is planning to keep out anyone form some Muslim countries?
Moderate muslims don’t go around chanting ‘allahu akbar’ in public. I showed that video because you want to pretend that there isn’t any islamist infulence in the protests.
One person says it’s all right to hit a Nazi, and this is held out as encouraging violence??
A newspaper isn’t one person.
What world are you living in? many people say Nazis have to be met with violence because their whole tactics are violent.
Incitement to violence is a crime, anyone who says that is breaking the law and I would fully support them being punished for it.
The fact that you defend this practice astounds me, who defines which people are nazis? Some people would describe me as a nazi, does that mean it is okay for them to be violent towards me?
I’m more worried that Chump should endorse one of his supporters who decked a black protestor at his meeting, and encouraged others to do the same. Chump’s language is extraordinarily aggressive and provocative.
Is there any evidence at all that would suggest that Trump would do this?
So what is your answer to Martin’s comment
I answered Martin’s comment already, I think the way that the Trump administration handled the issue was childish.
I don’t think you’re looking at any arguments
What are the arguments I haven’t looked at?
You seem more Chump than Chump, drac.
This was my point about labeling people as nazis. I think the only policy positions we share are cancelling TTP and restricting islamist immigration, and I certainly don’t share any personality traits with him.
I don’t even oppose TPP for the same reasons as him, I am in favour of free trade. I just don’t like the private arbitration courts, and the ability for companies to sue governments for undercutting them with public services (i.e the NHS).
drac, so all those hundreds of thousands of people were out protesting just because someone you claim is a Muslim fundamentalist told them to? Impressive.
The Berlin march apparently had protesters chanting ‘allahu akbar’, so it seems at least some of them will do anything they are told.
The world is getting very strange
What do you think about the media encouraging violence against their political enemies?
The Independent has since removed this article, but it was up long enough for a lot of people to see, and possibly be influenced by it.
Kennedy was inaugurated in snow.
Inauguration date is usually bad weather – it’s the time of year.
And inaugurations attract large numbers of people from across the nation, not just one city.
Most of the people will be from the city though, other people have jobs to attend or can’t afford transport costs.
To me what matters is the size of the demonstrations. They show the genuine disgust and worry of a surprising number of people at the very beginning of Chump’s term in office.
How did he manage to win the election if so many people are hostile to him then? I think you will find it a very vocal minority.
You seem obsessed with Communists. The pictures were of anarchists – the tv showed them carrying black flags. Anarchists carry black flags; Communists carry red flags. The characters are everywhere in tiny numbers; they are idiots. In Britain, there is a group called Class War which carries these things out – or they did once. I’m not up-to-date with who does it now.
I’m not obsessed with them, it is just a fact that they were communists. You can deny reality if you like, but the flags were clearly the half red, half black flags of anarcho-communism. There were also a few Antifa flags.
Who was on the Organising Committee? I’d be shocked if there were only one organiser!! Does the red-baiting Muslim-sniffing Breitbart have anything on the others? As SHR pointed out, finding one Muslim in Wembley football stadium during a big match doesn’t mean that the football league is run by jihadis.
Okay, i’m convinced you are deliberately misreading my posts. Being the primary organiser and public face of a movement is very different than a random person who is attending it. She is widely reported as being a major part of it:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/women-march-on-washington-organizers_us_58407ee8e4b017f37fe388d1
http://www.vox.com/identities/2016/11/21/13651804/women-march-washington-trump-inauguration
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/why-hundreds-of-thousands-are-joining-the-womens-march-w461332
http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2017/01/09/women-and-their-march-on-washington/my-feelings-about-the-womens-march-have-evolvedAll of the above list her as one of three leaders.
And that is all the Trump White House needed to say. What did they say, though?
That is a fair point, they should have handled it better.
I have to get back to work now, so I won’t be able to reply until about 1am UK time.
