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Breakfast in bed this morning made by the eldest three kids
I’ll even forgive them waking me up at 06.45
@Mr Bigstuff wrote:
If you get accused of a crime like this and you’re completely innocent, there’s a good chance you will go to prison anyway if the case goes to trial. A jury will not give you the benefit of the doubt because the public has the mindset that there’s no smoke without fire. So it will always be a case of guilty until proven innocent with these accusations. Blame the tabloids for making the public like this. Remember when Matthew Kelly was accused of that sort of thing? The scummy News of The World tried to drag his name and reputation through the mud, doing everything to make people think that he was guilty, even though he was completely innocent.
Ever served on a jury Mr B? You’d be suprised how many people get away with murder (literally)- for ever dreadful case portrayed here, there are 10 gulity paedophiles who have good defence lawyers who ensure these people remain free to commit further crimes
@soulie wrote:
italians are playing later also, USA did’nt show much in the first game
i predict an comfortable 2-0 win for italy
:lol: :lol:
perhaps you should give up predicting? 1-1 I believe!
@Mr Bigstuff wrote:
Ok, even though I intended not to reply to Emma’s bullsh1t, I feel I have to set the record straight on this particular issue (not for emma’s benefit but for everyone else’s). Africa is dealing with the legacy of colonialism, the cold war, the imposition of failed economic neo-liberalist policies by the IMF/world bank and the unfair trade arrangements of the WTO.
There might be corruption in Africa but there’s corruption in Europe, America and Asia too. Corruption is part of the problem but not the only problem. The biggest problem in my view is the continuous exploitation of African countries by rich countries that has gone on for centuries.
When African countries achieved independence they were never truly free. If you take the examples of Nkrumah in Ghana and Lumumba in Congo, they were both elected socialist leaders who had big plans on eradicating poverty and improving their countries. However, both leaders were toppled by the CIA because the USA saw left-wing governments as a threat. Angola and Mozambique were also targets for the CIA. The rebels in the Angolan civil war (which was one of the world’s longest civil wars) were financed by the USA.
Even if you overlook the impact of colonialism and the cold war, you can’t dismiss the actions of machiavellian businesses from outside Africa. Take for example the actions of Shell oil who conspired with the Nigerian government in relation to the persecution of the Ogoni people who live in an oil rich area. Foreign companies are also getting involved in conflicts where natural resources such as diamond and gold mines are involved.
Basically, everyone wants to point the finger at 3rd world countries but nobody wants to accept any responsibility for their considerable role in these countries misfortunes. It’s so hypocritical. Personally, I think 3rd world countries need to unite to demand cancellation of their debt and to form cartels for certain produce. If they wait for the 1st world to give them a fair deal they’ll be waiting for ever because rich countries can make a profit from war and from poverty and dependency. So it’s time for poor countries to be more radical and do whatever it takes to make their countries prosper.
I agree with much of what you say, Mr B but I think you underestimate the sheer level of corruption in some countries- Abacha (Nigeria) personally siphoned off $4 billion and is one of so many examples where rulers have used the national treasury as a personal bank for themselves, family, tribe or close friends. Nepotism could have been coined for African politics.
Many of these, often brutal murderous, regimes were propped up by either the US, Russia, France etc for purely strategic purposes.
However I agree the subsidies providedby the rest of the world in protecting their markets destroys most opportunities for african development – the classic example is
The EU gives $900 in subsidy for every cow within it’s borders-surpluses, produced at a fraction of their real value then flood the African market, undermining local producers. Simultaneously, African exporters face huge tarriffs which effectively shut them out of the European market. As stated, if we paid the true price for African produce, we would find we pay a much higher, fairer price.
However, no one has mentioned, over the last 20 years, the horrific, biblical scale impact of AIDS across the African continent, especially sub Saharan- by 2010m the average life expectancy in Botswana will be 27
It becomes a vicious circle- teachers die quicker than they can be replaced, children are not educated- that is if they are not, at the age of 9 and 10, the main breadwinner as their parents have already died of AIDS- in some countries up to 40% of the population are HIV- the impact on an economy of thousands of citizens and workersdying each DAY is unimaginable.
You takes your choice whether you wish to donate to an African charity, but they do save lives and offer hope where for decades there has been none
Does anyone really think that the problems of an entire continent, problems Britain, France, Germany, Spain and Portugal (in the main) created over the course of 150 years, will be solved in the space of a few years by giving a tenner here and there.
There are two reasons for the state of Africa- appallingly bad government, and economic repression by the rest of the world (you want to pay £10 per jar for your coffee?)
It will take generations to resolve the African problem, during which many more millions will die, we will continue to turn a blind eye (no oil y’see) to exceptionally repressive and brutal regimes because it strategically suits us to do so.
The giving of money is an issue of choice- but rest assured, the money you give through charity (as opposed to the Aid given by government) does save lives- it’s whether you wish to give to that or something else
@Mr Amphibian wrote:
Oh FFS!
Still trying to argue with Emma?
Give it up!The basis of argument is an EXCHANGE of views. Emma is of the “Is this the room for an argument” school.
S/he thinks “No it isn’t” is an argument. :lol:
S/he’s pretty good on football though! Makes sense on those threads.
She does? Must have been on a thread I missed then
@forumhostpb wrote:
Er……. right….. I see what you mean….. I think.
Err….. no you don’t see really PB- it is one of Emma’s lovely logical fallacies again
1) Left wingers can be intolerant
2) Fascists can be intolerant
3) Ergo, all fascists are left wingersWALOB
@emmalush wrote:
@Lambrini Girl wrote:
How you manage to compare the American exodus to the British one and relate them both to racial tension is quite astounding!
And as far as Americans go … Most of them don’t even hold a passport
I was pointing out to your thick brain, that people indigenous to their homeland leave England in bigger percentage numbers than america.
They leave for a better life. Why you may wonder, when England/britain is the 4th best economy, and a “lovely multicultural society” :(
THINK about it?
4% of americans hold a passport.
You really have no idea how blinkered you are, do you? Firstly give me a link to your figures (always helps to prove your outlandish statements) as they dont match up with any I have
Secondly people leave the Uk for hundreds of reasons- health, wealth, education, employment, retirement, return to their ancestral home, etc etc- has s/od all to do with the UK as a multicultural society
@tiler wrote:
Drivel
There was nothing hidden about his motives, he was there to fight the invaders, and occupiers of a country they had no right to be in.Its much more difficult to see the hidden motives of Bush and Blair, how many have to suffer and die for their motives, the “democracy” card is a crock of garbage, its the oil and a power base.
America will never leave, until the American people are sick of the body bags increasing, Blair is a fool for tagging along, behind a maniac, who hears voices from god.
The US is withdrawing troops from Afghanistan, so its another place for British troops to die, the Russians gave up on that country, so the US is leaving it to our poor sods to die for their failures.
He was there to fight in a country he had no right to be in either- he was not an Iraqi but Jordanian
As previously stated, opposition to a foolish, ill judged, misguided and deliberate war does not justify support for an evil, psychological, callous butcher
@drivel wrote:
@Mr Bigstuff wrote:
Drivel’s history of that area is predictably flawed. First of all, the Hebrews were not the original inhabitants of that land, the Canaanites were
How come my history is flawed just because the books I read are from a Jewish perspective – you are readign from an Arab perspective – that’s how there are differences
I didn’t say the Hebrews were the original inhabitants – I said they had been there since 1300 BC
Of course I have omitted things – theres a shed load of things we can argue aboutPalestinians are arabs indistinguishable from arabs throughout the Middle East The Palestinian national Charter adopted by the PLO states this fact in the 1st Article
The use of the term “palestinian” for an arab ethnic group is a modern political creation which has no basis in fact , and had never had any International or academic credibility before 1967I take issue with Drivel (and Pikey) with reference to the “modern” creation of Palestine as a state.
History clearly lays down the existence of Palestine as part of the Ottoman empire however one of the most famous documents in any nation states history is the “Balfour Declaration” in 1917 which clearly references a Palestinian state in which a jewish home should exist.
Anyone who wishes can google Balfour but the British “controlled” a region known as Palestine and the occupants of that region long before the state of Israel came into being
http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/balfour_declaration_of_1917.htm
