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chocolate body paint n the decorators are in….hmmm
one up the b/um, no harm done (as they say down my local) n you can create your own chocolate :wink:
@ubermik wrote:
Thing is tho slayer you (well we) CANT be “racist” towards white europeans, a racist comment by definition is one that encompasses and includes ALL members of a race, which is sorta why its called “racist” rather than “SOME of themist” you see
same would apply to someone saying “you see that black man over there, well hes a tosser”, NOT racist in the slightest even tho many would use the word to describe the comments and the person who made them
But as immigration treats ALL immigrants of all races, cultures and creeds the same it cant and never will be “racist” to comment on it either positively or negatively
It has to be one of the most commonly innacurately used words in existence, well, perhaps pipped to the post buy the word “equality” obviously
Racial discrimination has been inherent in Europe for the last 2,000 years- the Germanic drive for racial suprmeacy at the (deadly) expense of slavic european races is a classic example. Racism is related to race- that we agree on- but to simplify Europe as white european is too generic. There are numerous races (and we could argue the Jewish point as a race as well as a religion) throughout Europe which experience ongoing racism- gypsies in Eastern europe- even though they are both white and european
A black Briton can experience racism because he is british rather than because he is black- xenophobia is closely linked to racism by its very nature yet, as British, we can just as easily be focussed on other white european races as much as black african or “brown” middle eastern
Ultimately scholars are still unable to agree on a definition for racism so it is unlikely we will agree but I can be just as racist to a white Frenchman even though we are both “white” and “eurpoean”
Ultimately the definition of racism is still considered a hot potato
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Thought this said “Lush her”- had visions of our very own Emma getting medieval on this girls ass :twisted:
@waspish wrote:
thanx slayer ole chum! i thought the tail had lost its sting there for a while x x x
Wasp hunny, you’d be suprised how much we agree on :lol:
My stinger has been in rehab but is now fully recovered thanx
actually to be pedantic- America has been around longer than any religion and indeed populated longer than any religion…we just didnt call it America
I, like the thread, was referring to modern day
@ubermik wrote:
@slayer wrote:
@ubermik wrote:
Ex smiths singer during an interview commented that the british identity has been lost due to an open door policy on immigration and the flood of immigrants its brought to britain
The publication (NME) said
“He might once have been the voice of a generation, but given his comments in these two interviews, he’s certainly not speaking for us now.”
“Us” who exactly? Seems that a hell of a lot of people ARE infact saying and complaining about just that, even people who dont even live in the UK, werent born here and arent white or indigenous brits too
And how does any of that equate to “racism” anyway? I didnt notice him say “non white immigration” or “white british culture” so the words racism and racist dont actually belong in any statement connected to his comments to begin with and its about time people started having the balls to sue for slander or libel when the words are used innacurately over any and every comment that doesnt fall in love with our minority ass kissing left wing dictatorships perverted ideal of a multicultural nirvanna where anyone white and british spends their life apologising for our history and throwing away our culture because nobody else in the world seems to have any concept of what tolerance means unless THEY want it from someone else
The article is located here
Since when did racism have anything to do with colour? Jus cos he didnt state “white british” doesnt mean his comments arent viewed as racist. You can be jus as racist against white eastern europeans as you can against black afro caribbean. Incidentally- I didnt think his comments were racist in any way- it was a view point
Anyway, to take your point up- Ive seen several people comment about British “identity” as if its some virtual philosophy which once joined up the nation. Yet when you actually challenge them to explain what this identity was/is- they can’t. You can’t lose a nations identity
Our identity has changed, evolved, developed, matured etc over centuries and will continue to do so
I would be very interested to hear what you view as our nations identity- our raison d’etre
Firstly immigration applies equally to ALL “races”, ergo it CANT be racist unless it applied differently to people of different races, “british” isnt a “race”, ergo nothing said about british anything can be “racists” in the slightest, its nationalist or culturalst
As for “Our identity has changed, evolved, developed, matured etc over centuries and will continue to do so”
Well in that case why would anyone object to people coming here leaving THEIR culture at the door then? After all if all that “maturing” is a good thing what have they got to object to?
All cultures are, to the people who exhibit them “virtual” to a large extent, to someone whos culture it is its simply “how they are”
But aspects that are quite noticeably british culture, or were are, and have been quite frequently commented on by people of other cultures for a very long time which is a large part of what attracts our tourist business here to begin with and makes a lot of people want to come or stay here to begin with otherwise they would be just as likely to go to iran, saudi arabia or poland wouldnt they? But they ARENT
Our sense of humour for one thing tho is quite typically “british” and has constantly been missunderstood/admited/hated but other cultures that dont share it for decades maybe longer
Infact if you want to see what other cultures perception of british culture is its clearly shown in other cultures parodies of the brits and we feature frequently in stereotypical roles and to a large extent milk those perceptions ourself in humour
And thats one of the big aspects of british culture, we can not only laugh at ourselves, but as a rule we can laugh with other people laughing at us and take the humour as its intended, as humour
Try telling a mulsim joke to a muslim, polish joke to an pole, german joke to a kraut and see how many of them laugh “with” you at themselves
And as trivial as humour might seem, its a very influential facet to a person and a nations disposition and outlook.
Our troops also have a reputation, as does our military in general for not only being some of the most efficiant fighting forces on the planet but also for their ability on average to be effective peacekeepers, social ambassadors and able to strike a good balance between firm and amenable which again is a reflection on our culture as a whole that leaves many other equally white european forces less effective and less amenable in a peace keeping role
Aside from that, and more superficially, we ARE like it or not a white christian founded country, not an islamic one. We dont and havent for a very long time sought to stop or alter anyone elses religious practices on our soil unlike many of those religions do when they have their own soil
It IS part of our culture and heritage, as is things like st georges day, christmas, easter and countless other social rituals to christians, agnostics and athiests alike and yet bar easter for the moment, the other two HAVE already been under “multicultural”pressure to be renamed, toned down or just stopped
Thats not social evolution because its forced, its not “maturation” because its not by choice or apathy. and the pressure for those things to be altered IS as a direct resuilt of immigration and immigrants
If we were REALLY going to be more multicultural then perhaps we should show each non indigenous culture the same level of tolerance and acceptance they would and do show ours when we visit their soil eh?
But we’re better than that, british CULTURE is better than that, far far better than that
So…our sense of identity, of nationhood, our raison d’tre, our very core of all that is indicative of the British nation is a sense of humour, our army, a Roman soldier from Turkey and a pagan festival…god help us all indeed.
Social engineering- either natural or unnatural is a fundamental part of this nations history and has been for thousands of years- it affects our language, our way of life, our culture, our identity and to suggest otherwise demonstrates little knowledge of our nation’s history.
I could argue that we would NEVER show the same tolerance of Mediterranean cultures if they visited our holiday resorts in their millions, behaved like drunken, ignorant feckwits as if they owned the place all week and then left in a whirlwind of alcohol, sex and vomit- no, Uber, countries like Spain deserve a medal for the way they put up with our “culture” each summer
And I dont remember agreeing Morrissey was stating anything racist- merely pointing out racism is about the individual not simply a colour
@ubermik wrote:
Ex smiths singer during an interview commented that the british identity has been lost due to an open door policy on immigration and the flood of immigrants its brought to britain
The publication (NME) said
“He might once have been the voice of a generation, but given his comments in these two interviews, he’s certainly not speaking for us now.”
“Us” who exactly? Seems that a hell of a lot of people ARE infact saying and complaining about just that, even people who dont even live in the UK, werent born here and arent white or indigenous brits too
And how does any of that equate to “racism” anyway? I didnt notice him say “non white immigration” or “white british culture” so the words racism and racist dont actually belong in any statement connected to his comments to begin with and its about time people started having the balls to sue for slander or libel when the words are used innacurately over any and every comment that doesnt fall in love with our minority ass kissing left wing dictatorships perverted ideal of a multicultural nirvanna where anyone white and british spends their life apologising for our history and throwing away our culture because nobody else in the world seems to have any concept of what tolerance means unless THEY want it from someone else
The article is located here
Since when did racism have anything to do with colour? Jus cos he didnt state “white british” doesnt mean his comments arent viewed as racist. You can be jus as racist against white eastern europeans as you can against black afro caribbean. Incidentally- I didnt think his comments were racist in any way- it was a view point
Anyway, to take your point up- Ive seen several people comment about British “identity” as if its some virtual philosophy which once joined up the nation. Yet when you actually challenge them to explain what this identity was/is- they can’t. You can’t lose a nations identity
Our identity has changed, evolved, developed, matured etc over centuries and will continue to do so
I would be very interested to hear what you view as our nations identity- our raison d’etre
@ubermik wrote:
Thats muslims for ya
Either you bend to what they want via peaceful means or they go for the non peaceful methods
Enoch Powell will one day be viewed as a visionary I reckon
They must have taken the lead from the US- if you dont do it our way, we’ll make ya
She does Ugo…which means she is well n truly lost if she’s found JC!
Hi Cheza65- hope you enjoy your stay…n I think your war memorial is truly stunning
@dafydd wrote:
I’d have been more concerned if the children had christened him Michael Jackson! By the way; it’s only just occured to me. How can Muslim children bestow a “Christian Name”?
They dont- its the West that calls it a “christian name”- its not called a “christian name” in Sudan- either first or birth name i believe
