Forum Replies Created
-
Posts
-
@emmalush wrote:
@slayer wrote:
you’re right, this country belongs to those who were born here…let them stand up against the tides of immigration which is washing these shores and eroding away the country as I know it..but we stand united Emma not some feckwit whites only cr/ap
But if the whites who were born here want an all white England, you aint going to stop them.
The more multi-hellhole is forced upon them, the more your wife will have to leave.
Oh I see
Now you’ve contradicted yourself and said “its the whites only who were born here”-
We agree PB!!
The actually police officers directly involved in the shooting did exactly what they were trained to do in a situation they’d had training in. Their information from the manager/senior officers was that JCDM was a suicide bomber- no problems- they shot him believing what they were doing was right
However the issue lies with the information and surveillance and communications surroudning that case. N Sharon, dont ever top up yer fake tan cos the police surveillance team thought a South American looked Middle Eastern!
The issues that are opened up are about the capability of the police force, in light of all the information about the case, to protect us. Remember Ian Blair coming on TV and saying that he had a “large coat on like he was concealing something and he ran away from officers”- if the information the Commissioner gets from the ground is utterly wrong, what hope have they of truly actually finding those who DO need to be shot!
Thats religion for ya
@~Pebbles~ wrote:
i think the police did what they felt was right at that moment in time. They had to act fast in view of the terrorist threat. He fitted the description, he ran, which gave them even more reason to believe that he was the person they were looking for. They shot him before he had the chance to detonate a bomb, which they believed at the time was his reason for boarding the tube. Had they hesitated and he had been a suicide bomber, he would have just pushed the button and blown everyone to pieces. In that sort of situation, the police have to act fast and in the publics best interests, and this is what i think they did. Turns out they got the wrong guy, but things would have been so much different if he had been a terrorist and and they had not acted. Mistakes happen, i dont see why anyone should resign over this. They did the right thing.
Errr Pebbles- JCDM didnt “run” anywhere, least of all away from any police officer. He was shot point blank 7 times in the head standing in a tube train.
The police believed they had the right man hence they shot him- with that I have no argument- the men who actually shot JCDM did what they were trained to do.
The failings are in communications, surveillance and top brass
@waspish wrote:
@emmalush wrote:
@slayer wrote:
Cameron has regularly raised immigration issues and stated it is unsustainable in its present format.
I regularly raised the high jump bar but i still didn’t jump it. Dave cameron doesn’t know how to tackle mass immigration, he skirts round it with blag words and idiots like you believe him.
HOWEVER, Enoch Powell made immigration a race issue and Hailston agreed with Powell and therefore agreed its a race issue hence he was sacked
That statement proves my above point, EVERY human immigrant on earth has a race, therefore it is a race issue, more so, we now have racial segregation whereby folk and different races dont mix.
If Immigration is bad- then its all immigration…Scots in England, Welsh in Scotland, Irish in England….Canadians, Aussies, Kiwis, South Arfricans, Frence, German, Danes, Swiss, Swedes, etc as well as Somalis, Afghans, Iriaqis etc all over here
Not all the 60 million who live in britain are immigrants you retard.
There comes a point when those who were born here must say, hold on, this is our country by birth right, we have more stake than foreigners.
The other thing is community cohesion, in an orderly society, the prodomanently people get on better, thus the others are in the way, or should be made to get along or they should leave for if they wont they’ll be a civil war created by the rulers who allowed them in.
Its your choice slavery slayer, do you want the born natives to rise up?
completeley agree with emma on this point it will be too late before long TO do anything. we are being overrun with immigrants from all over the world [and i dont give a toss what colour they are] the fact is mosques are preaching hatred and vile bigotry every day here in britain, we know it and the police know it. and what do the government do ??? pass laws to stop any interference with the hate clerics who are planning our demise.
there are thousands of people from all over the world working hard to better their lives granted,and they are welcome. but they are the few amongst the many. take this instance. a male arrives from abroad, he gets a home sorted, gets a job, saves for a while then sends for his wife and 2 kids to join him, no probs with that. the other side is a man arrives from abroad with wife and 2 kids. goes to dss office gets benefits a house supplied by council and thats where he stays on benefits with wife and kids being kept by you and i. the simplicity is glaringly obvious, no one should be given benefits of any kind for the first 5 years of their stay here, and if they dont work they get nothing. this would stop once and for all the likes of the somalis who are arriving at a rate of 60 per day into tower hamlets alone. i supose some will be banging the racist drum again and frankily your wasting your time, i dont care about the colour i do care about the intent.we will be in dire straits in britain very soon and what will happen when the poles start fighting with the slovacs. the albanians go to war over drug turf with the asians and the west indians. when the russians begin murdering the poles and the albanians for territory over jobs. believe me it is a scary thought and its coming.Wasp- you must be really paranoid to tag on to every post something about “call me a racist if you like etc”
Poles fighting Slovaks (more likely to be Ukrainians though) etc is guarranteed- the simple issues facing this country when it comes to immigration are
Crime- does the benefit of an open border policy outweigh the impact of organised crime coming from the eastern bloc
Health- does the benefit of an open border policy outweigh the pressures placed on both primary and secondary healthcare
Housing- does the benefit of an open border policy outweigh the impact of losing social housing
Education- does the benefit of an open border policy outweigh the impact of increased class sizes and a local school dynamic being detrimentaly changed by increase in non english speaking pupils
Immigration is about what is and isnt manageable economically and socially- it isnt about not wanting to have a Pole as a neighbour- the next generation Poles who are born here will be BRITISH with Polish ancestry- just like you Irish lot who came over here in the 19th century
@emmalush wrote:
There comes a point when those who were born here must say, hold on, this is our country by birth right, we have more stake than foreigners.
Did you really really just say that- the most liberal, immigrant friendly comment possible…n you’ve stated it as a fact.
I know what you really meant but this made me laugh
The idea of birthright being directly linked to nationality is all most people like me ever ask for Emma- and you’re right, this country belongs to those who were born here…let them stand up against the tides of immigration which is washing these shores and eroding away the country as I know it..but we stand united Emma not some feckwit whites only cr/ap
@forumhostpb wrote:
To pick up on Anita’s points:
”Testing positive for cocaine” is in itself not illegal – it is the taking of this Class A drug in the first place that is illegal. By virtue of ”testing positive” Mr de Menezes clearly HAD taken cocaine at some time prior to being killed and THAT is illegal.
I don’t agree that his mistaken killing was due to the Police not being able to ”tell the difference between a white man and a black man.” Both Mr de Menezes AND the terrorist suspect had broadly the same skin colour. The terrorist was apparently of Middle Eastern origin and Mr de Menezes was Brazilian (neither were either black or white). The photographs of both men show a remarkable similarity in both skin colour and tone.
To pick up on Slayer’s points:
Equating the Road Traffic Acts and the Vehicle Construction and Use Regulations (minor speeding and dodgy headlamps / brakes) with offences against the Dangerous Drugs Act, forging Visas in passports and working over here illegally is not a good comparison in terms of their degree of criminality.
The fact is that he WAS here illegally and he DID brak the law whilst a visitor to our country. IF he had left when he ought to have done then he wouldn’t have been here to be killed.
The general point is that Police action was taken in the immediate aftermath of a major terrorist incident killing dozens of people and another foiled attempt to do a similar thing. Sure, everybody was jumpy and likely to ‘over react’ to a situation which, under more normal circumstances, would have been managed in a more calm and collected way.
But for those who are all too ready to attack the Police ….. ask yourself this:
WHAT IF Mr de Menezes really was a terrorist and had explosives concealed about his person – ready to commit suicide for his cause and maim and kill as many of us as he could in the process???
WHAT IF the Police, by shooting him in the head multiple times, managed to prevent him from detonating these explosives (even in his death throes) and thereby saved a large number of lives???
Would we still be baying for the head of Sir Ian Blair???? Would the Media and the chattering classes still be pursuing them through the Courts under the Health and Safety Acts ???
Somehow i don’t think so.
PB- IF me auntie had bo/llox she’d be me uncle
IF Hitler hadnt decided to murder 6 million jews and 25 millions Russians in the process- we’d be calling the Invasion of Russia a war for freedom against dictatorship
“IF” cannot be used in an argument when dealing with fact.
As i said though- we can discuss an erosion of civil liberties, a “shoot first, ask questions later” policy, a view that innocent people will be killed in a police clampdown following major terrorist attack- thats fine and I am happy to debate that BUT to try and dress it up as something else doesnt wash for me.
As for Road Traffic acts etc- more INNOCENT people die each year through speeding and faulty cars than are ever die through the misuse of drugs
Depends on what your viewpoint
@emmalush wrote:
The pre planned sacking of conservative candidate Nigel Hastilow for having an opinion about mass immigration, explained alot of what the conservatives and mainstream party’s believe in.
Mr Nigel Hastilow has revealed that he’ll now go back to his newspaper job of reporting free speech, which the conservative oppressors have banned.
How can people take the conservatives seriously, the NUMBER ONE topic on people’s lips is mass immigration, and britains second biggest political party wont allow it to be discussed openly.
There ARE people out there who dont fall to political oppression, who say it how it is, will defend FREE SPEECH all the way to the courts.
This country is heading for political disaster, WE the PEOPLE have got to start tacking charge of our future.
GET involved, DO something.
YOU decide YOUR future.
Just listening to a national radio phone-in about this, and 88% of 540 listeners think he shouldn’t have been sacked.
Cameron has regularly raised immigration issues and stated it is unsustainable in its present format.
HOWEVER, Enoch Powell made immigration a race issue and Hailston agreed with Powell and therefore agreed its a race issue hence he was sacked
Immigration is about unsustainable assaults on the use of our public services, school, healthcare etc- treat immigration as an economics and management issue and de racialise it. Immigration is not about wanting to live in “whites only English” neighbourhoods which is EXACTLY what Enoch Powell wanted and spoke about
If Immigration is bad- then its all immigration…Scots in England, Welsh in Scotland, Irish in England….Canadians, Aussies, Kiwis, South Arfricans, Frence, German, Danes, Swiss, Swedes, etc as well as Somalis, Afghans, Iriaqis etc all over here
THAT is the difference…not that you’d see that Emma
@forumhostpb wrote:
I may not always agree with waspish, but on this subject we think very much alike.
The late Mr de Menezes WAS here illegally. He was granted admission as a tourist but saw fit to not only overstay his permit, but also obtained a forged Home Office stamp in his passport to attempt to circumvent this permission.
Traces of cocaine WERE found in his blood – i.e. he was consuming illegal substances which is another criminal offence.
He was on his way to work when he was killed ….. work????? ….. but he was prohibited from working as he was only a ”visitor” on a tourist visa – another offence.
If he had obeyed our laws, chances are that none of this would have happened. If he had returned to Brazil when he should have done, he wouldn’t have been here to get mistaken for a terrorist and killed.
PB- that is a total “cop out”
To infer that because he was here and had broken a couple of (minor) laws he in some way contributed to recieving 7 bullets in his brain is a diversionn from the event.
Next time you do 40 mph in a 30 mph, in a car which perhaps has a slightly warped brake pad and one headlight higher than the other (hence breaking a few minor laws)- it in no way, under any circumstances, allows the police to literally blow your head off. Nor would it allow me to say “well, if you hadnt gone out in a faulty car and driven over the speed limit, you’d still be here today”
Being here illegally and taking drugs (which reading other threads on here is quite common amongst JC members!) does not excuse multiple co/ck ups by the police- any of which could have been sorted and not resulted in a gang style execution
Now if you wanna argue that in the aftermath of multiple terrorists attacks, innnocent people will be killed by the police to ensure the attacks cease..then fine, we can debate civil liberties etc-
Of course, the “spin” put out by the police after the event (most of which was false) adds to the bad taste in the mouth
@emmalush wrote:
@forumhostpb wrote:
[b]Yes I agree with you TM and I have edited out Emma’s nasty little racial slurs.
I was hoping to defuse her unpleasant racism with a bit of irony, but on reflection this is clearly a lost cause – in her case.[/b]
Whats racism, SHOW me that what i said was racism?????
It is my belief that you are too thick to understand reality, am i wasting my time talking to your thick brain, if so, ban me.
I WANT TO TALK TO PEOPLE WHO WANT TO LEARN.
No Emma, Im sure you wouldnt be banned- you provide too much entertainment :lol:
