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@emmalush wrote:
Slavery slayer, how were the convicts and homeless treated, when they were shipped abroad as slayer slaves?
Convicts were sent to penal colonies to work as part their punishment- similar to the chain gangs in the american south in the 19th and 20thC- maybe they got the idea from us!
@ubermik wrote:
I’m still struggling with this “they were convicts and homeless people” nonsense
It doesnt really matter if they were housed or homeless does it? If they were rounded up, stuck on a boat and then taken to another country to work thereafter that IS slavery
It doesnt magically change into something else just because its honkies being displaced under duress
The left has been trying to brainwash the mindless majority into seeing racism as something whites do to non whites via the media by trying to avoid using the word whenever its none white acting against whites or other none whites but plastering the story with the word whenever a white person is the protagonist even when its not racially motivated and that sexism is something MEN do to women :lol:
Now it seems they are also hoping the majority are thick enough to think that if two people are taken from their home to another country and made to work its ONLY slavery if they are black :shock:
I reallly dont see the distinction to be honest
Lets suppose for a minute that most of the blacks that were taken were also homeless which they very well could have been for all we know, so potentially nobody was actually a slave in that case
Infact, if you burn someones house down and THEN force them into a life of servitude it wouldnt actually be slavery then would it because they were homeless from the moment you burnt their house down lol
What a complete pile of left wing nonsensical apologist drivel
I’m struggling with the idea that transmitting todays values onto the 17thC is somehow relevant. Infant mortality in the 17thC was appalling, child exploitation was rife and child prostitution was a means to an end. Removing these children to a place of safety and opportunity is different to using them as slaves. I cannot find anywhere that these children were chattle or slaves and to me is no different than the evacuation of children during WW2 to the countryside and a place of safety- not each experience will be positive but the majority will benefit. Deliberate use of emotive terms like “rounded up” (as if the were cattle) does not portray the initial intent nor the reality.
It does not make it “right” but neither does it make it slavery- or were the hundreds of children sent to the other side of the world during the 30’s,40’s and 50’s to Australia to people and lives they had no knowledge of also “slaves”- no, of course they werent but some would no doubt have us think so in the pursuit of “balancing the books” in some perceived colour battle
Slavery existed and exists across societies, countries and continents- whites, blacks, asians, chinese, etc etc all use and have used human beings as commodities- don’t see what the problem is there nor do I see the need to apologise for something that this country participated in, along with half the multi coloured world, over 200 years ago.
The sad thing is PB, there have been many injustices throughout history which would take the whole of JC to mention but I find it frustrating when someone takes one event and tries to use it for political ends- and that is nothing to do with colour, race or creed.
It is indeed tragic that children (homeless or not) were taken from London to another land and many died on route (although the initial intention, in the mindset of the 17thC was they were sending them to a better life in Viriginia). However it pales into insignificance with the 400,000 children which were taken during the 18th and 19thC from major US cities and shipped to the mid west to increase the population over there and give them a better life.
At least thats my view
@sweetasbaileez wrote:
Thhis is an email that was just sent to me…… I think you have to agree.. the australian has the right idea
Excerpts from an on going debate in Australia.
This is true and can be checked at
http://wwwsnopes.com/politics/religion/australia.asp
Muslims who want to live under Islamic Shari law were told on Wednesday to get out of Australia, as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks.
A day after a group of mainstream Muslim leaders pledged loyalty to Australia and her Queen at a special meeting with Prime Minister John Howard, he and his Ministers made it clear that extremists would face a crackdown . Treasurer Peter Costello, seen as heir apparent to Howard, hinted that some radical clerics could be asked to leave the country if they did not accept that Australia was a secular state, and its laws were made by parliament “If those are not your values, if you want a country which has Shari law or a theocratic state, then Australia is not for you”, he said on National Television.
“I’d be saying to clerics who are teaching that there are two laws governing people in Australia: one the Australian law and another Islamic law that is false. If you can’t agree with parliamentary law, independent courts, democracy, and would prefer Shari law and have th e opportunity to go to another country, which practices it, perhaps, then, that’s a better option”, Costello said
Asked whether he meant radical clerics would be forced to leave, he said those with dual citizenship could possibly be asked to move to the other country. Education Minister Brendan Nelson later told reporters that Muslims who did not want to accept local values should “clear off. Basically people who don’t want to be Australians, and who don’t want, to live by Australian values and understand them, well then, they can basically clear off”, he said.
Separately, Howard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying he supported spy agencies monitoring the nation’s mosques.
Quote: “IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT. Take It Or Leave It. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali, we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians.”
“However, the dust from the attacks had barely settled when the ‘politically correct’ crowd began complaining about the possibility that our patriotism was offending others. I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to Australia.” “However, there are a few things that those who have recently come to our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand.” “This idea of Australia being a multi-cultural community has served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. And as Australians, we have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own lifestyle.”
“This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom”
“We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society .. Learn the language!”
“Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.”
“We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us.”
“If the Southern Cross offends you, or you don’t like “A Fair Go”, then you should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet. We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really don’t care how you did things where you came from. By all means, keep your culture, but do not force it on others.
“This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom,
‘THE RIGHT TO LEAVE’.”
“If you aren’t happy here then LEAVE. We didn’t force you to come here. You asked to be here So accept the country YOU accepted.”Sweets- you can’t beat an Aussie for telling it like it is, just like Australian foreplay (“Brace yourself, Sheila”), direct and to the point
Two little things – we’re arent a secular nation, we have a state religion and Tony Blair said only this year
“Conform to it; or don’t come here. We don’t want the hate-mongers, whatever their race, religion or creed”, amongst other things in his speech
Interestingly the Aussies have always had a pride in their nation which has outstripped ours unless of course we are playing them at cricket :D
Sweets, I have another slightly more left of field view- if you’re English, no matter what you’re colour, you have a right to an opinion. Waspish (on here) is half or quarter Australian- does that disenfranchise her from having a view she can share? She’s no more English than any 3rd generation BWI or British Indian/Pakistani/Sri Lankan and hence they have a view to
And in final I;d say to anyone, of any colour, creed, and race- if you don’t like it here, no matter how long you’ve lived here (10, 100, 1000 years)- find somewhere else you will like….and leave, just like the Aussie says
The first two shipments were not slaves but vagrant (ie homeless) children- rounded up and shipped to Virginia- this continued over the next 150 years to the tune of approx 600 children. It was not white slaves which outnumbered the black slaves, it was white CONVICTS which outnumbered the black slaves. The kidnapping of children occurred for the last 4 journeys over to the US- it was wrong but as usual Emma’s paranoid mind thinks the world is against the white man (bwana)
Of course the vast vast vast majority of labourers in Virginia were convicts and Virginia (along with all of New England) was in fact a large penal colony. One of the drivers for the search and use of Australia as a penal colony was the New Englanders no longer wished their now settled and prosperous part of the world to be swamped annually with felons.
Couldnt agree more Driv- Sunderland have done better than most people thought n even the fans have started to come back
Derby have delivered over and above their station this year which should really have been a year of consolidation- a promotion this year will be similar to Watfords- truly wonderful but always gonna end in tears
@emmalush wrote:
@slayer wrote:
you asked for my definition of racism………..n you’ve got it
So, the absolute definition of racism in the English language, is a self produced set of words by you :D
There can only be one set of words that define a word, what are they?
You didnt ask for an absolute definition, you asked what is meant
And no, there can be many sets of words which define a word
i.e.
gut
meaning stomach
meaning to remove entrailshigh
meaning up and above
meaning post drug use feelingetc etc etc etc etc
@waspish wrote:
their local mp hr malik said on the news that his thoughts and blessings were sent to the mother of the female terrorist and her son another terrorist arrested today he said it must be a terrible time for her just now with two of her children being held in prison WTF!!!
my thoughts are with her as well. personally id like to know how many more murdering scumbags she has produced and where they are at this moment in time… and no i will not apologise for saying it. if she hadnt brought her murderous brood up to hate the country that fed clothed and educated them there would be a lot of families in london with mothers fathers sisters and brothers still alive now. i hope she never sleeps again.and if there are any more of them i hope they have the good sense to leave britain before the kind of justice their culture so readily dishes out catches up with them in the name of equality. as it says in the bible an eye for an eye. religion dont ya just love it.So for all the filth (loyalist and catholic) in Northern Ireland who spent 30 years murdering innocent people- the people we should have blamed all along were their parents
glad thats clear then
n Hitler’s parents were to blame, not Hitler! ffs
@waspish wrote:
slayer you miss understand me. or i didnt make it clear enough i meant if they had drawn in the election. which they did not the bnp was over a hundred votes behind. if they had drawn they wouldnt have dared draw the straw to get the winner as people here would have taken to the streets. but as you said and i concede the tories won fair and square here. sorry if i wasnt clear enough
wasp, thats exactly what i thought you said- my point was that just because the outcome would not have been to the liking of a SECTION of the voters is not a reason to undermine democracy and take to the streets
emma
read the home page of the bnp
Workplace discrimination against BNP workers now illegal
MP’s ripping taxpayers off..part 2
British taxpayers cough up for galapagos rubbish collection
etc etc etcEmma- if you continually point out the negative, whilst failing to address your own wekanesses, people switch off.
That is what happened last thursday, continually having rammed down their throats that the BNP is the ONLY party you can trust and just look have very very bad the other parties are and continuously going on about immigration is not what floats a lot of voters boats. N reading Mr Griffin’s address on the website, he knows it too.
Get ready to see changes in the way the BNP conduct themselves over the next 12 months- its about winning votes no matter how you get them
