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Have I missed something (unlikely being a male but occasionally my focus wanders) or can someone post a proper link
Where does it say that they are not going to fund the mosque themselves? As I read it, the planning committee is there to grant planning permission NOT to grant them £100.
Surely not another BNP soundbite to ensure “the enemy within” remains at the forefront of our minds- if you throw enough mud, some of it will stick politics!
Oh no, silly me, the BNP only deal in the truth..n if me Auntie had bollox, she’d be me uncle
@sweetasbaileez wrote:
@slayer wrote:
@Bad Manners wrote:
@sweetasbaileez wrote:
I totally agree with what you’re saying Oss… but the fact remains.. what do we do ?? do we bow down simply because they have ‘sleeper cells’ in Britain :?: Do we give up on the English way of life because we are too frightened to fight back :?: It boils down to our Immigration System and the fact that we’ve allowed thousands upon thousands of Iraqis into Britain.. this poses the question then, as to whether or not that was their intention all along :?: :!: :? We have to deal with the here and now.. and the now is.. they believe that they are justified in taking our sailors and parading them on Iraqi television, humiliating them and making them admit to ‘whatever’ enforcing the female to cover her head… as they do their own women…. As a country we have no choice but to make a stand.. if we don’t all we’re saying is.. help yourself, dictate what you will.. take what you want.. this can’t happen. We have the backing of the a few very powerful countrys.. surely this stands for something :?: :?:
off to bed now.. will debate more tomorrow night work in the morning xx :wink:
Iraqi Television? Iraqi’s? :?
Glad it wasnt just me then- guess they all look the same!
Iran is a classic example of a people being led by a government into actions the majority of people dont want and are fed continuous propanganda…..oh, isnt that similar to the UK?
Our view of Iran is almost entirely formed by the media and our view of its fundamentalist leaders… we actually know little about its people and their views and we actually care even less about its people or their views.
And for Sweets sake, I dont think we have many Iranian immigrants here.
@sweetasbailez wrote:
where the fook do you live then ?? Iraq ??? :? :? :twisted:
Nah, just surrounded by Ukrainians, latvians and russians…not many iraqis or iranians near me
@maenon wrote:
I’m talking about parliamentary privilege where members of the House of Lords or Commons can talk freely before the houses without having to worry about repercussions stemming from libel. Thus, they don’t have to have solid evidence for their claims and can convince fellow members of things that are purely speculative. There is a committee on standards in public life which is supposed to be a parliamentary watchdog. The only problem is that this committee has to report and make recommendations to the PM who can then decide whether or not to act upon them. Thus, the party in power is self regulating. I think this needs to change.
Also, there isn’t a law to prosecute politicians who deceive the public. The only means the public has of holding politicians accountable for their actions is through voting in the general elections. These are few and far between and it means that once a party is in power it can pretty much do whatever it likes. I think there needs to be a law in place to hold politicians accountable when they deceive the public
Maenon- to a degree you are right but it is against parliamentary privilege to deliberately mislead the commons- hence whilst they may speculate, an MP may not STATE something has happened unless he has the facts that it has. An MP is also only covered under parliamentary privilege during commons proceedings and hence cannot say what he wants outside of parliament
Todays media always speculate (as opposed to media 50 years ago which reported facts after they’d happened, not before they had) and so it’s not a suprise to hear Mp’s speculate either- i dont trust the media and i dont trust MP’s
@sweetasbaileez wrote:
For one Slayer and I are in total agreement :shock: :shock: Don’t we have enough of our own criminals to deal with :?: If we were convicted of a serious crime in many countries we would be deported..( if not killed) why should we keep them here, paying thousands od pounds a week out of our taxes to ‘rehabilitate’ them in our prisons… a warm bed, a paid job, no bills to worry about and clothing is hardly likely to encourage any prisoner to go on the ‘straight and narrow’ now is it :?: If I commited a murder in the middle east.. i would be executed.. and rightly so.. maybe we should start chopping off peoples hands or stoning :?: :?: Would certainly make a few more people think twice before commiting acts of criminality wouldn’t it :?: Our justice system is one to be laughed at… there are many sympathetic people who consider the criminal as someone who has suffered..( paedophiles abuse becasue they were abused .. junkies mug and rob because they need help ect ect )…Where is the sympathy for the law abiding citizen :?: It’s all about Human Rights…and as a working class person in England ..I have none…. it makes me think maybe i should start injecting skag, mugging old ladies, beating people… anything in fact.. atleast that way I won’t have to worry about the bills for a few years :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
I’ve taken the Mogadon now and had a lie down and will ensure we never agree again on anything-
One thing tho Sweets- please dont compare our way of life to that in the middle east (where they stone murderers etc) unless you are going to compare the whole culture- the bit where women are forced to wear veils, cannot see a dr (male dr’s arent allowed to treat women and women arent allowed to work and hence there are no female dr’s!), unable to work, gang raped if they even look at another man- extremists exist in all cultures but it doesnt do to pick out the bits if a culture you like and say “we should be like them”
Im not sure what Maenon is on about
It is a serious offence to mislead parliament-
however there are some ancient laws around slander etc which fundamentally means you can say what you like about someone in the house of commons and not be subject to common law in defammatory terms(i assume it goes back centuries to when the “commoners” who were appointed to the upper house were actually very very rich landowners)
@Bad Manners wrote:
@sweetasbaileez wrote:
I totally agree with what you’re saying Oss… but the fact remains.. what do we do ?? do we bow down simply because they have ‘sleeper cells’ in Britain :?: Do we give up on the English way of life because we are too frightened to fight back :?: It boils down to our Immigration System and the fact that we’ve allowed thousands upon thousands of Iraqis into Britain.. this poses the question then, as to whether or not that was their intention all along :?: :!: :? We have to deal with the here and now.. and the now is.. they believe that they are justified in taking our sailors and parading them on Iraqi television, humiliating them and making them admit to ‘whatever’ enforcing the female to cover her head… as they do their own women…. As a country we have no choice but to make a stand.. if we don’t all we’re saying is.. help yourself, dictate what you will.. take what you want.. this can’t happen. We have the backing of the a few very powerful countrys.. surely this stands for something :?: :?:
off to bed now.. will debate more tomorrow night work in the morning xx :wink:
Iraqi Television? Iraqi’s? :?
Glad it wasnt just me then- guess they all look the same!
Iran is a classic example of a people being led by a government into actions the majority of people dont want and are fed continuous propanganda…..oh, isnt that similar to the UK?
Our view of Iran is almost entirely formed by the media and our view of its fundamentalist leaders… we actually know little about its people and their views and we actually care even less about its people or their views.
And for Sweets sake, I dont think we have many Iranian immigrants here.
@oss wrote:
If they go ahead and try them for espionage, then i cannot see Blair sitting back and doing nothing. There is probably several plans already on the table and ready to go.
Though they have to try and go through the peaceful routes first, after all, Britain can ill afford to go into another war. We just havent got the man power in the British army anymore.
:lol: – “anymore”
We could no more attack/invade Iran than we could attack/invade Iraq on our own. We are a 4th rate power when it comes to armed forces and our government knows it- we do not have the capability to do anything other than bluster and posture n if Iran decided that these personel were not going to be released, there’s not a jack sh/it we can do about it.
The only plans on the table will be “how can we ensure this least affects our political ability to win seats at the next election”- there will be NO plans to send in anyone to somehow spirit them away or to invade etc etc.
No one in any government goes to war for the sake of a few members of the armed forces who were in the wrong place at the wrong time (wherever that wrong place may have or have not been).
Didn’t realise metropolitan policy was decided by a readers poll in the “E’NIN STANNARD” entertainment section
PMSL :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
DoA
“Up to half of all the arrivals in the Americas colonies were white slaves”-
actually DoA most were criminals- America was a penal colony long before Australia was even thought about.
More interestingly ALL black arrivals in the Americas were slaves- hence the issue. There is no denying that white slavery existed but as an exception not the rule
Nicole Willis and the Soul Investigators
Feeling Free
