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:lol: I’m ahppy for you to disagree with me all the time, just as Emma does.
I take very little personally jus made me laugh! For once sounded so definite.
Not bad for an Essex girl tho :D
@sharongooner wrote:
@slayer wrote:
@sharongooner wrote:
@jelly tot wrote:
Slayer, I hear you loud and clear, it scares the sh*t out of me when I try to imagine what my kids as mixed race people are going to face when they hit their 20’s, sometimes I feel guilty for having them, then I think that without kids like mine and yours all that is left will be little hick-billy rednecks running round with shotguns tearing society apart.
Also if all the eastern europeans are thrown out whos going to cook the KFC!!!!!!!!!Dont ever feel guilty for bringing new life into the world. Just feel sad about the world yur bringing them into, and do your best to see its a better world/environment you/me grew up in.
Hard, I know. Its not about colour, not now days, its about intergration and being willing to be a patriot to the country you live in. Nobody wants to embrace this country anymore.
And you cant blame the youngsters for that.
But they do want to embrace it Sharon- I wish people could see how much British Muslims see themselves as British and Muslim- especially the younger generation. The recent England vs Pakistan cricket tour over here saw young British muslims supporting England and their fathers cheering Pakistan
Of course there are extremists- for every stereotypical BNP or NF supporter, there’ll be a Muslim just like them, thats human nature
BUT what is genuinely impacting on many Muslims, especially young ones, is the demonising of their religion and the rantings of people like Emma who make out that they are somehow less “English” because they are not white and christian- if we wish to alienate whole races and stop them from embracing THEIR country, we should just carry on as we are doing- how many times have you seen the papers with a front page headline about Muslims- ffs, the population of this country is 96% NON Muslim yet we seem to be obsessed with this image of round every corner is a muslim about to blow you up!
I love this country, my country and am proud to stand side by side with anyone, creed, colour,sex,religion who feels the same- I am no better than them just because Im white n CofE
For once I totally agree with you. Sport is a fantastic medium. My kids have no probs with their multicultural comrades/mates. I was the same at school. But when you get an old guy on the telly wearing a long dress and preaching death to the west what do you tell them then? Oh, Its just an idiot in London given the freedom of speech to sound off? Or do you explain that he is speaking in code to the newly recruited “youngsters” to pick up their armour and act?
Im confused about the whole thing really and I find it even more confusing that people can read anything and have a clear and concise veiw, especially a political one and still come out with a good arguement either way for shutting/not shutting our borders
:lol: For once!!! You mean there are many times when you disagree with me :lol:
@emmalush wrote:
@chathostuk wrote:
@emmalush wrote:
The decent law abiding tax payers of this country pay to the eu £39,000,000M every single day of the year,
So the UK pays £14,235,000,000 to the EU each year? (£39,000,000 x 365)
Well I must say you certainly have enlightened me, emma.
The leader of ukip, nigel farage said £15,000,000,000 about 2 weeks ago on talksports james whale radio show. He painted a very bleak picture of how its spent too. What stuck in me head above all, was that each country sends a commissioner (we sent mandelson) (i think neil kinnock is there too), and they decide what laws should be voted on, then each mep votes on them to see if its made law.
The farcical situation is, that non elected commissioners decide what laws can be put forward, regardless of who we voted to decide for us prodomanently.
The whole eu nonsense is a complete farce. Why we cant spend £39,000,000+ every day ourselves is beyond me.
Emma- the EU has innumerable faults and I am no great lover of it. However jus cos the leader of UKIP (the most anti EU and therefore the most likely to use figures “interpreted” in their own way) says we spend £15 billion on the EU doesnt mean we do.
Find us a link with what this money includes and then we can agree on whether it is worth it
@sharongooner wrote:
@jelly tot wrote:
Slayer, I hear you loud and clear, it scares the sh*t out of me when I try to imagine what my kids as mixed race people are going to face when they hit their 20’s, sometimes I feel guilty for having them, then I think that without kids like mine and yours all that is left will be little hick-billy rednecks running round with shotguns tearing society apart.
Also if all the eastern europeans are thrown out whos going to cook the KFC!!!!!!!!!Dont ever feel guilty for bringing new life into the world. Just feel sad about the world yur bringing them into, and do your best to see its a better world/environment you/me grew up in.
Hard, I know. Its not about colour, not now days, its about intergration and being willing to be a patriot to the country you live in. Nobody wants to embrace this country anymore.
And you cant blame the youngsters for that.
But they do want to embrace it Sharon- I wish people could see how much British Muslims see themselves as British and Muslim- especially the younger generation. The recent England vs Pakistan cricket tour over here saw young British muslims supporting England and their fathers cheering Pakistan
Of course there are extremists- for every stereotypical BNP or NF supporter, there’ll be a Muslim just like them, thats human nature
BUT what is genuinely impacting on many Muslims, especially young ones, is the demonising of their religion and the rantings of people like Emma who make out that they are somehow less “English” because they are not white and christian- if we wish to alienate whole races and stop them from embracing THEIR country, we should just carry on as we are doing- how many times have you seen the papers with a front page headline about Muslims- ffs, the population of this country is 96% NON Muslim yet we seem to be obsessed with this image of round every corner is a muslim about to blow you up!
I love this country, my country and am proud to stand side by side with anyone, creed, colour,sex,religion who feels the same- I am no better than them just because Im white n CofE
@jelly tot wrote:
Emma, firstly thanks for the honesty in letting me know that I’ll be told to sod off from my own country ( did I read that right?).
Your missing my point slightly, whilst I agree with you on the legally binding manifesto is it a workable option? I don’t think so in todays fast changing world.
What I’m trying to get to is that all politicians are corrupt, they may start off with good intentions but soon the true value of power sinks in and that’s that.
Any how if you throw out all the black people who’s going to play in the premiership and be in the athletics team.Jelly mate- Emma is a sure bet in a one horse race. You can’t reason with her, offer an opposite opinion or god forbid, prove her wrong.
Thats from someone in the same boat as you- this country belongs to your (and my) children n don’t ever let any blinkered, BNP supporting crackpot ever tell you otherwise
@emmalush wrote:
@jelly tot wrote:
Would I and my family be asked to leave?
I think that people who are not white and/or british would be invited, but dont quote me on that. I think the Sothern irish would be welcome to stay and not be invited to leave.
Is that ok for you?hypocrisy- who chooses which races stay or go? French out? Americans out? Australians stay? How about a black australian? That would be a tough one- Aussies in but not black aussies! What about a white West Indian? What about the Chinese- they on the list of Griffin’s ark (two by two)
The trouble with the BNP (and its a classic Labour soundbite too)- there is no actual policy which underpins the shallow statement. When you look at the detail, they don’t know who would be “asked” to leave or who would stay. What would happen to anyone who has a mixed race (perhaps going back 5 or 6 generations)- how far back do you go into someones ancestry before saying they can stay? How about the French Hugenots who came in the 18th century to escape Catholic persecution- can their ancestors stay?
Emma – is it English or British? The BNP don’t seem to know and neither do you? Southern Irish stay? Whys that then? What have they got that the Danes havent? The Jews are out too I take it as they are not “christian”.
It is so easy to say “voluntary repatriation” but when you try and get any sense under the shallowness, there is none at all cos there is no policy- just a clever propaganda machine
Absolutely barking (sic)
@emmalush wrote:
Slayer, we just cannot trust the old gang party with their manifesto’s because like you say, none of them have ever done what it says on their label, lab-lib-con are just not trustworthy.
So, shall we abolish manifesto’s, make them legal and binding (maybe for atleast a year, and/or where it can be achieved), or better still, trust the policies of a political party that has never been given the chance to provide our society with their own manifesto, like respect, ukip or the bnp.
One things for sure, i will be celebrating the English people’s victory of free speech win, from Leeds crown court, and will be banging the drum against the fascist gordon browns disgusting new attempt to stifle free speech next year.
Long live the BNP, defenders of our basic white human right.
@emmalush wrote:
Your original point, there is a VOLUNTARY repatriation policy within the BNP manifesto. If someone wants to leave, then they will be helped financially, but NOT, i REPEAT, NOT forced. If they wana stay, thats fine. Are you happy with that policy?
Please come back at me with another policy you dont agree with, and lets discuss it, and see if we can solve any problems you have with it.
You think the BNP will be the first political party in history to stick to their manifesto? yeah right…power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely
Also, I have read Mein Kampf and agree with a couple of points Hitler makes (on utlising the unemployed on public works etc) but it sure as feck don’t make me a Nazi.
Just because someone agrees with a couple of points in the BNP manifesto (and lets be honest, theres not many who’d disagree with sending hardened criminals to prison for longer periods) does NOT make them a BNP supporter OR make the BNP a worthwhile political party. Anyone can say “more hospitals, better education, tougher laws etc”- almost everyone would agree with that (and every political party in this country aspires to those aims)- its the method of getting there that we all disagree on
@emmalush wrote:
Yesterday, in his usual dictator-like media outlet, blair was quized by Adam Boulton of sky news, “should sadam be executed?”.
Blair didnt have the backbone to say yes or no, yet he is trying to enforce a democratic Iraqi government which agrees with executions.
This dictator of ours is quite happy to send our troops into the Iraqi Civil War with full knowledge that they could be executioned themselves.
Also, new labour are against the death penalty, and the last poll said 68% of us want the death penalty, so he knows full well if he agreed sadam should be executioned, that would give the moral argument for us to have it.
Emma- did you actually LISTEN to this broadcast, or is it a soundbite taken from the BNP website?
I LISTENED to the whole interview and whilst I am no supported of Blair, he was quite categoric in what he said and the stance of the government- the reported was a complete pr/at who continually harped on with a question because Blair wouldn’t actually use the word “yes”
@Bad Manners wrote:
Thank you for that information Mr P.
Just bump my figure of 50,000 up to the millions then.
The same example. Someone’s a suspect. Their DNA shows a million to one chance against. They could be innocent, a million to one number would mean they were totally under suspicion though. If no one else was ever found for the crime they would continue to be Prime Suspect though?Im not against this idea though. It it helps to solve brutal crimes, and give families some closure, and victims some justice I’d be all for it.
I dont believe someone should have their DNA taken unless they are a suspect in a crime though.Mr B
You must be the defence lawyers dream
“But he could be innocent”- if you’re DNA comes up (and it’s more like 1 in several million, not a million), as PB suggests, in a rape case then you are guilty of at least having had sex with the person
Defence lawyers play on peoples guilt of convicting people i.e. placing doubt, however minimal that he may be innocent and suggesting “its not foolproof” is a good way of influecning the layman when it comes to conviction (which is why so many rape cases are found innocent)
Having served on a jury in a robbery case, where it was so cut and dried (fingerprints, shoe prints, alibis who refused to testify in defence, eye witness accounts, identity parades etc) it was a farce, we STILL had 2 jurors who said “but there’s a one in a million chance it wasn’t him so I can’t find him guilty”- luckily the other 10 saw sense and he was found guilty (at which point we also found out about his 65 other offences!)
Nothing is ever 100% foolproof- you cannot guarrantee I am not a Martian but it is highly unlikely.
DNA records are simply the greatest leap in crime detection since the fingerprint and we should have 60,000,000 DNA records (one for each of us) on a database now
