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The north pole used to be the name of a porn actor- I take it Matty you are referring to the more colder of the 2 options!
@madcat wrote:
Anything we do in life has consequences. What about boy racers/small willy men who crash and cost the emergency services alot of money being cut out of their car and hospital treatment. Ditto motorcycle riders who are very vulnerable to accidents. Shouldn’t they be charged for their treatment? People who have accidents crossing the road away from the crossing? Their choice – this could get ridiculus.
We all pay for our medical care through our national insurance contributions. Fat people also pay the same VAT and tax as everyone else & if they do die younger, will save the NHS money on geriatric care.
It already happens Mad, drivers who are involved in road traffic accidents and treated in A/E will receive a bill from the hospital (last I heard it was about £60).
But we’re (or rather I’m not) talking about “fat” people- I’m talking about people who are clinically obese through their own actions, refuse to take responsibility for their actions, yet expect others to pick up the pieces and treat them just to enable them to carry on as if nothing had happened.
Their has to be a line drawn where people take responsibility for what they do
@emmalush wrote:
@slayer wrote:
I agree- people will elect to remain within their comfort zone hence the ex-pats who live in Spain tend to congregate in the same areas but does that mean they cannot integrate into the local economy, culture and environment?
Are you a pro multiculturalist because your family isnt all white/English?
Nah- I’ve always been like this since before I can remember- I’ve been treated well and been treated like sh/yte by all sorts of different creeds, colours and races. If anything my first wife (bwi), and now thankfully ex, would have made me a white supremacist but her actions where those of a woman and nothing to do with colour (and not typical of all women either).
@American Woman wrote:
@slayer wrote:
Have to strongly disagree with American Woman, it is about time people started to take responsibility for their own actions, including diet and not expect other people to pick up the pieces- has nothing to do with being “happy” and more to do with being irresponsible
I honestly don’t think that anybody would like to live in a society where you’re told to loose or gain weight or you’ll be taxed. I think it’s plain ridiculous. Would you truthfully like to take away Free Will? If I wanted to have 10 pizzas I should be able to have 10 pizzas. As far as them being “irresponsible” we all reap what we sow. If the person is over weight, believe me, they are paying for it, just not monetarily. All I’m saying is let people live their lives, especially if it’s not affecting you.
Ah, but over here we have a “free” at source National Health Service- in other words, it is accessible to all (ok everyone, please don’t lecture me on how well it works)- over there you have to be insured to access health care, if you aren’t insured, you don’t get it. So maybe the argument has a different inference
If someone wants to eat 10 pizzas a day, self inflicts their condition, and then needs a heart transplant, but will continue afterwards in the same lifestyle- should that person have the same right to a new heart as someone who has been active in keeping themselves healthy but for other reasons (ie hereditary or clinical) needs a heart.
You have every right to eat, drink and inject what you want- what you should not have the right to assume is that your actions will be dealt with by others that then enable you to carry on exercising your right.
@drivel wrote:
Cheeky terwatt – I shall be there tonight in the hope of seeing a home victory for the first time in God knows how long
Failing than I shall probably throw myself off the Alexandria Bridge at approx 22:15 tonight !!!I’ll keep my eye on the score and drop a call to North East ambulance service to be on standby for a distressed male wandering the Alexandria bridge crying “why, oh why couldn’t I have been a Derby fan” :lol: :lol:
@emmalush wrote:
@cath 55 wrote:
I think the problem is , isnt the fact that emma supports the BNP .
to me one of the problems is the stereotyping and generalisation that all people of colour or different religion are bad people. Emma just because you came across a pocket of people who gave you and your family an extremely bad deal, it doesnt mean that all of the rest of the population of their colour or religion are all the same fgs. do not tar people with the same brush!!When have i EVER said i hate all non whites, WHEN???????????????????
Some of you guys REALLY believe the hype, the anti-BNP hype, and that all who support them are crazed minded racists who hate hate hate.
Ive said, i hate more white English than non whites.
Ive said, it is NOT the fault of non whites as to why we have a problem in my country, that is also what the BNP say, try and LISTEN?
How many times do i have to say this before you guys acknowledge it, and it sticks in your brain before you say im hate such n such, come on people, take part here.Emma, can you not see that comments like this, which are so patronising, like a mother talking to a wayward child “there, there diddums, it’s not your fault your bad, it’s the nasty people who made you do it” AND
comments like “non whites” and “my country”- try British citizens and Britain and I’ll consider the response rational
@emmalush wrote:
Now ask yourselves these very important questions:
Which party has been asking for the debate about immigration the most? BNP
Which party has offered a solution to immigration? BNP
Which party has said “close the borders now”? BNPImmigration has been debated for years- the Tory media (Mail and Express) have been banging the drum for years so please don’t kid yourself the BNP somehow has a moral high ground on an immigration debate
No, the BNP does NOT have a solution to immigration, it has a policy of repatriation- this is not, under any circumstances a “solution”
@emmalush wrote:
Which party do you prefer listening to? New labour/conservatives.
Which party let millions in, thats caused the problem? new labour/conservatives
Which party is responsible? new labour/conservatives.You continue to make assumptions about peoples political persuaion just because they oppose you and become the very reflection of what you believe them to be
I don’t need to read any anti-BNP hype- their website does it all for me
oi cheek- there was a queue of 3 for the hot dog stand last week
I agree- people will elect to remain within their comfort zone hence the ex-pats who live in Spain tend to congregate in the same areas but does that mean they cannot integrate into the local economy, culture and environment?
It’s a chicken and egg- people stay within their comfort zone because they are scared to venture outside of it, yet the only way to break the fear is to step outside the box- catholics and protestants (for example) will never learn to live together unless they actually do that, will never learn about each other views, values and viewpoint (other than that espoused by the most vocal within their own community which, ala Ian Paisley, tend to be negative).
The dangers of demonising one section of a neighbourhood community are clear throughout history- Rwanda, Greek Christian and Turkish Muslims in the Ottoman empire, Bosnia, Nazi Germany-
The human race, for all it’s intelligence, very rarely learns from it’s mistakes and hence continues to make them.
Sunderland fans, for all their intelligence, very rarely learn from their mistakes and still go to the stadium of light!! :lol:
@becky wrote:
I agree with Slayer but at the same time so many life styles are risky and cost TAX payers money. So why not TAX fat,thin,drunks,druggies and the list is endless. Dont single out 1 fault there are so many. As the list i just put cost a lot of money and all should be taxed if thats the way it goes.
I wouldnt disagree- smoking, drinking and drug taking should be included in this- but I feel there is a slight difference between a risky lifestyle, especially involving work, where the choice is not so clear cut and where the individual has every choice- however those who undertake risk in sport or recreation should have insurance which will cover them-
what you eat, drink, or put in your body is down to the individual- with the extreme medical exceptions, no one is forced to smoke, drink or eat 10 pizzas a week- as I said, tax may be excessive but are we not penalised now for our actions in other areas- we pay more in insurance if we have a drink driving conviction we cannot get credit as easily if we are bankrupt etc etc- there should be some penalty for those whose actions cause their conditions
I work in the NHS and to most employees, it is frustrating to treat conditions which you know will be a short term fix as the lifestyle will ensure the individual is seen again and again.
parts of belfast and londonderry clearly are and I wouldn’t suggest otherwise- but to me, Northern Ireland demonstrated what happens when you do segregate communities- the demonisation of the other community, the polarisation of extreme views and the decades of work required to get 2 people, to actually talk to each other.
It will take decades more before the end result is proved to be successful but it has to be better than segregation
Are we talking “overweight” people, which applies to a lot of the population and whose health is not adversely affected by being a stone over the ideal weight or are we talking clinically obese people who, even after treatment, will simply revert to a lifestyle which is incompatible with a healthy wellbeing.
If someone has a heart attack brought on by self inflicted actions (as opposed to hereditary causes) they will expect to be treated via the NHS, and when discharged, will often return to the same lifestyle that created the heart attack in the first place.
Tax the fat may be a tad (no pun) excessive but certainly people should be advised that continuing to live that lifestyle will move withdrawal of further support and treatment.
Have to strongly disagree with American Woman, it is about time people started to take responsibility for their own actions, including diet and not expect other people to pick up the pieces- has nothing to do with being “happy” and more to do with being irresponsible
