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  • #1109055

    tick tock…..

    A deal is within sight…by the end of this week?

    tick tock….

     

    two people have unsuccessfully tried to cut off debate on this, but even if they succeed and I’m typing on my own, I’ll continue.

    For three reasons..

    first, it provides encouragement to anti-brexiters in an otherwise brexit-loud site.

    secondly, people who are looking at the site without contributing may well read the posts and find them useful. I had a couple of people openly say this a while back.

    and thirdly, the most important crisis faced by the British state since Suez deserves at least one person to say something here.

    #1109079

    People are concerned with wages, benefits , housing and crime – not one of these will suffer due to Brexit and evidence all four will improve. Most people couldn’t care less about arguing who is left/right wing.. they just want to see fewer immigrants taking up houses, less crime particularly sex crime eastern Europeans /muslin grooming gangs, not being dictated to by Brussels for laws and wages pushed down as Mr Johnny foreigner  works for less than minimum wage sending his wages back to Romania. I don’t care if it offends, its how most people who voted Brexit think so scream racism etc – it wont make any difference as we’re leaving.

    #1109098

    QE – I think that this is a very important post, actually. I’m not offended, and I’m not going to be shouting racism. You may be a racist, I don’t actually know and there’s nothing I can do about it if you are, but the post reflects the way a lot of people thought when they voted to leave and most of them aren’t racist. It’s a difficult problem to answer, which is why racism is the easy get-out cry.

    One thing I will say now is that the leaders of the Brexit campaign – the Tory Right led by Ian Duncan Smith and others – together with the Thatcherite economists like Patrick Minford who see a prosperous Britain emerging from Brexit  aren’t actually opposing immigration.In fact, they see Brexit as a means of opening Britain up to cheaper immigrant labour from non-EU countries. They want to see Britain becoming a Singapore-on-the-Thames, without the social, labour and hygiene protections laid down in various EU Charters and all those pesky rules.

    It’s they who’ll be ruling the roost, not you, for one simple reason. A Britain cut loose from one of the world’s trading blocks is going to be a mean and hungry Britain, ready to cut deals for as low a price as it will get, and ready to turn the UK into an offshore tax haven to attract investment. They are very open about this, talking about the shock Britain needs and will get from exiting the EU. Jacob Rees-Mogg argues that Britain will be very prosperous, but will need to wait 50 years for the benefits of leaving a rules-based order like the EU. In the meantime, life is going to get a bit bleaker for most of us as we adjust.

    That’s if they get their way, which isn’t looking very likely at the moment. But the coming days and weeks will tell. We seem to be on the cusp of a decisive change, as May has all but run out of road down which she can kick her can.

    I wouldn’t be so sure about us leaving, if I were you. I’m not sure of anything about the Brexit process atm.

    #1109550

    Ge

    Oh and for those who might have missed this in the news recently and who might be interested and which has since been buried by the liberal MSM. A document FCO30/1048, was locked away under Official Secrets Act rules for three decades and released in 2002.

    http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C11018818

    To keep it short this document adviced that the British government should keep the electorate in the ‘dark’ about what EEC  membership entailed in the long run (EU) and by the time they discovered it it would be too late and we would be “chained” to Brussels to such an extent we could never leave. Ring a bell anyone?

    One of the founders of the satirical magazine Private Eye, Christopher Booker says, “Here was a civil servant advising that our politicians should connive in concealing what Heath was letting us in for, not least in hiding the extent to which Britain would no longer be a democratic country but one essentially governed by unelected and unaccountable officials.

    One way to create an illusion that this system was still democratic, this anonymous mandarin suggested, would be to give people the chance to vote for new representatives at European, regional and local levels.

    A few years later, we saw the creation of an elected European Parliament – as we see today a craze for introducing elected mayors, as meaningless local figureheads.”

     

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/9233096/Europe-alienates-us-all-as-foretold-40-years-ago.html

     

     

     

     

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    #1109553

    Sceptcal was / is right about one thing, this ‘deal’ is not what people voting OUT voted for…  it makes the whole thing a complete waste of time, if one were of a cynical mindset one may almost think this was Mays aim all along , to tie us to the EU indefinitely !! I never thought I’d say this but I’m starting to think NO DEAL would be better ! One thing I do know is I doubt I’ll ever vote for anything again, it’s a complete waste of time !!

    😶🤬😤

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    #1109555

    Sceptcal was / is right about one thing, this ‘deal’ is not what people voting OUT voted for… it makes the whole thing a complete waste of time, if one were of a cynical mindset one may almost think this was Mays aim all along , to tie us to the EU indefinitely !! I never thought I’d say this but I’m starting to think NO DEAL would be better ! One thing I do know is I doubt I’ll ever vote for anything again, it’s a complete waste of time !!

    😶🤬😤

    I feel exactly the same.What,s the point!The government are not listening. :negative:

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    #1109556

    Jamie, Did they Ever Listen ?????

    The country had a referendum. There was hard and dirty fight on both sides. A referendum should count for SOMETHING !! it was a BIG DEAL ! The turn out was massive, people got off their arses and voted ! ( apart from the young who never think things can ‘touch’ them ) They voted for what they wanted, be it remain or leave. It was a one off ! A democratic vote by the people of the UK. The result was to leave. The people of the UK who voted leave didn’t do so because they are too stupid to understand the implications. I am sure, like me, they gave it hard consideration. We as a country voted leave. Leave means Leave. The majority of the people of this country have been sold out, their voice didn’t and will not count. I’m pretty sure remainers will sit smugly considering this deal a victory, but when the EU does eventually come crashing down which is inevitable as all Dictatorships never seem to end well, I fear we will all think ‘we should have got out while we had the chance’, if we had, by now ( 5-10 years down the line ) we’d have been sitting pretty watching from afar as it all goes tits up in Brussels.

    :negative: :negative:   :negative:

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    #1109560

    Mooosey, as always, good post

    #1109563

    I made this comment while back…

    Simple..politics..politicians..stir a big brew to wake up people to come forward at their time of need. If it be votes, reform..change..

    Think about it..Admit it to yourselves, how often have you heard, “Don’t get involved, Politics and Religion don’t mix!” Many could care less..AND many of you have just said it here in the boards..don’t listen anyways..They really don’t. Sadly we vote for leadership, need change, reform, but always battle of the power of parties more so. This first business of day. Who and what party? Then find what need to stir and force people to come out in hiding.

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    #1109572

    That’s right, Linda. That’s the real world.

    We can throw our hands up in despair or we can get stuck in.

    Here in the UK, we could very well be facing a major constitutional crisis – maybe.

    Mrs May is trying her best but she’s been set an impossible task. She wants to leave the EU, and she has to respect the Good Friday agreement for an open Irish border.

    She couldn’t square the circle and now she could well be about to get more squeezed out of the UK over fisheries, Gibraltar, etc.  We”ll know the full horror by Friday.

    This is what happens when a country decides to go it alone. The others grabn everything they can. That’s the way of the world. That’s why we’re always trying to set up international trade groupings to keep that to a tolerable minimum. Better to fight with other countries within a set of rules, and fight to reform rules, rather than leave a rule-based group and head for shark-infested waters without even a lifejacket.

    tick tock. This clock is about to get well and truly f***d, one way or another.

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