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Blaise pascal Google if you don’t know who he is said it best I lose little if god doesn’t exist and have maximum gain if I’m correct that he does
Pascal’s Wager falls apart when you consider there is more than one possible god to worship, and many possible religions in which to worship them through.
Which transforms this:
Into this, where the most probabable outcome of any belief is enternal punishment :
It also doesn’t consider that an unknown god is the correct one, or that the real god is know but not the correct way to worship them.
Well, that makes no sense. The fact that you’re not able to briefly summarise his legacy to science leads you to outrageously accuse me of making fun of his appearance. If you’ve read me properly, then there can be no other reason for pretending that I make fun of people such as Hawking and my friend with motor neurone disease. Jeez..typical of the jc degenerates. I’ve looked at his work (insofar as I understand it) and don;’t see it as leaving a lasting legacy. Please enlighten me rather than hiding behind smears about me.
Summarise Hawkings work in a few words on a message board, Christ you are a fcking idiot arent you
I don’t know if there’s a life after death, though the house of Lords was always said to be proof. I’m living on the assumption that there isn’t one. It would be very nice if there were a Heaven where I once again met people dear to me who are dead. I really don’t believe that some sort of divine justice will take place on death – that all the nasty people will get their come-uppance, and I will get rewarded with lots of coffee cake. That’s not the nature of my Christianity. Not orthodox, am I?
This post is contradictory , you state you are living on the assumption there is no afterlife but claim to be a Christian? If you aren’t “orthodox ” in these basic views then by definition you can’t be a Christian.
you are like Dawkins; you are ignorant of modern religious belief. many Christians are biblical literalists. Most have to sift the bible, causing mockery forom those like Dawkins and yourself who want them to stick to something genuinelyfoolish. Many Christians now deny the actual Resurrection (a Bishop of Durham did, was it David Jenkins or his predecessor?). Some Christians have argued that god is dead. many, many Christian deny heaven – they believe that our souls fall asleep in hope of the Second Coming – see Tom Wright’s book on Resurrection. Catholics believe in Heaven, but not all. You are the last person to assess whether someone is a Christian or not. Your posts drip with contempt about Christianity. Perhaps at some point they’ll show some knowledge as well.
Some Christians argue God is dead lol… how can they be Christian then? You are just cherry picking what you find plausible and labelling it Christian whilst ignoring the rest. You can’t simply ignore things you don’t agree with central to Christianity and call yourself a Christian.
Well I’ve debated this issue with Sceps before , half of the commandments would be null and void today, the modern Christians don’t believe in the resurrection etc etc , nor after life nor fluffy clouds and meeting back up with auntie fanny who died 20 years ago, my question is when do you stop believing in Christ, isn’t that where the name comes from ?, excuse my ignorance on the subject, but when does it stop being Christianity and just become ‘being a decent person ‘ ? Treating others as you would like to be treated isn’t religious , its just decent isn’t ?
I’d like Sceppers to explain what his faith means to him, exactly what he does believe in ….
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This reply was modified 6 years, 1 month ago by
mooosey88.
Yup, Ms M, treating people decently is seeing Jesus as an awful nice prson.
A lot of modern Christians argue that he was just incredibly nice.
I would say that there have been many other nice and decent people in the world. Some like Gandhi, managed to be much more effective than Jesus in getting things done.
All Jesus succeeded in doing was getting himself hung on a cross.
But there’s no definition of Christian whihc is hard and fast.
I tend to be Johannine.
But hawking was not a Christian. He seems to have been a decent person. More decent, more ready to face a hostile world than many,including lil ol me.
I can’t see him as a genius, Nem. Sorry.
I must be wrong.
I’m not waiting for someone to summarise his work. He did a lot of work, shaking the scientific world up with his hypotheses and speculation about black holes etc. His courage and intellect are beyond doubt.
But – I’m wondering what lasting legacy he left to science.
With Einstein, I would say relativity theory is one thing. Many other legacies were left by him. No need to explain relativity theory if I asked for Einstein’s lasting legacy. Just two words are enough. Einstein was a genius. A phrase or a sentence will do for Hawking.
I’m willing to be corrected. I’ve read three of four books on modern cosmology, but am hardly a cosmologist. I have a small knowledge of it, like most of you.
If anyone enlightens me, I won’t get personally insulting. I’m genuinely open to persuasion.
The modern Christians don’t believe in the resurrection etc etc , nor after life nor fluffy clouds and meeting back up with auntie fanny who died 20 years ago
Then they aren’t Christian.
If heaven doesn’t exist, then none of Christianity makes any sense.
nor fluffy clouds
The bible never actually describes heaven this way, the literal interpretation of Heaven is a multi-coloured lightning storm filled with 100 eyed lions and 4 headed angels. It’s pretty weird.
Historical images of heaven are more similar to what is described :
(Although this image seems to depict the Firmament, not Heaven itself)Edit:
I found a excerpt from Ezekiel 1 that matches what I had described:
As I looked, behold, a storm wind was coming from the north, a great cloud with fire flashing forth continually and a bright light around it, and in its midst something like glowing metal in the midst of the fire. 5Within it there were figures resembling four living beings. And this was their appearance: they had human form. 6Each of them had four faces and four wings. 7Their legs were straight and their feet were like a calf’s hoof, and they gleamed like burnished bronze. 8Under their wings on their four sides were human hands. As for the faces and wings of the four of them, 9their wings touched one another; their faces did not turn when they moved, each went straight forward. 10As for the form of their faces, each had the face of a man; all four had the face of a lion on the right and the face of a bull on the left, and all four had the face of an eagle.-
This reply was modified 6 years, 1 month ago by draculina.
agree Drac ,they were Sceps theories not mine . My beliefs are work, get rewards, help people if you can and don’t be too judgemental because you may think you know a persons life, but mainly you don’t. Anyway I’m retiring from this debate, as it has become more about book related ‘knowledge’ than common sense and decency. I don’t believe in God and I seriously doubt anyone could convince me, however, if I’m wrong, come the judgement day , surely this benevolent God would know I’m not a bad person ( in general terms ) and have tried to be a good person, because I don’t believe am I then condemned to the fires of hell for not believing in him ? So if he does exist does it matter if we believe or not , isn’t being a decent human more important ? or should we just worry that anyone who doesn’t believe is condemned anyway? Is that even a Christian attitude ? lol
Well Moosey, according to these bible bashers, you could be Jack the ripper but as long as you believe in this tosh, you are heading to the clouds to dine with ST Peter and the like. If you lead a decent life helping others but dont subscribe to the good book, the caring creature in the sky sends you down to Satan and the trident up the ar/se. Sufficient to say, rob , steal, murder and pillage but as long as on your death bed you can recount how much you love the baby Jesus, you are floating upstairs not downstairs.
Of course it’s this misplaced arrogant megalomaniac “God ” that christians believe in where if that belief isn’t reciprocated by this self obsessed being , you are cast down to the fires of hell and brimstone even if you behaved like mother Teresa that makes me question these self appointed noble Christians like Scep.
Bearing in mind you don’t believe in God….
Christ was a man, the son of God, He took on all of our sins, each and every one, so we can stand in front of God, forgiven.
The point is, we all sin, can any one of us truly stand up and say we are perfect? Hell, even us Christians get it wrong,that’s the whole point….
You meet someone who claims they’re “good” or at least “not bad”… by whose definition?
I am proud to say I believe in Christ…
The most important commandments… love thy God (rather than oneself?) and love thy neighbour (be charitable, loving and kind)
Tell me they’re not good things….
Not all of us that believe in God, and Christ, are deluded.
Either way you look at it, life is a miracle to be thankful for.
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