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@ Ge…. and that makes perfect sense …. to me anyway, thanks for that.
So I’m asking clarification.
I thought it was an actual transgendered woman, and when I just checked I was right. It wasn’t a man posing as a woman in order to ape women at all.
You know what ‘thought’ did…..
I suggest you check again before declaring other people pedants !
You’ve both lost the plot.
I mean, totally lost the plot.
First, the reason the whole thread was begun and related to the case had nothing to do with me trying to titillate, and thereby harming the cause of the transgendered, as Gerry argued.
The case made headlines and was seized on by feminists because the government last week completed the period of consultation with different groups and individuals on a change in the law on trans-gendered. That’s why the debate was rife on television news discussion programmes last week, and it’s why the rape case was the focal point of discussion.
The argument was that if transvestites could use women’s changing rooms, showers, prisons etc, then the upset to a woman’s privacy from peepers was greatly aggravated by the danger of rape.
The fact that the transvestite had a history of rape and child molestation is a problem for the board which allowed her into a women’s prison. It#s actually quite a complicvated issue, and highlights the second point in to which you both fall into teh real debate without having the slightest clue as to what you’re doing.
That second point concerns whether a transvestite is a man or a woman.
Karen White, the self-confessed rapist, is not a trans-sexual. She’s a transvestite who is claiming to be near the transition to the big operation. This may be a lie. How do I know? From what I gather, the prosecutor claims it’s a pretence, but this hasn’t been proven. All that’s been proven is that he or she is a rapist.
If you read the newspaper accounts of the case, they refer to her as a woman, not as a man.
And that is the point of the thread.
Is a transvestite a man? Some transvestites just like to dress in women’s clothing but are actually still men. Most of their lives are acted out as men, and they’re happy with that.
But many transvestites claim that they’re women in a man’s body. Geddit? A They have a man’s penis, and they either want it removed at some point when they have the money or the courage, or they endure having a penis because they’ll never have the money or the courage.
So a transvestite still has a penis, and if a transvestite rapes a man or a woman it’s entirely possible that they will use their penis.. To many feminists, that is it, they’re not women. To many other feminists, they are women. That is the debate.
This is one of many links to the debate
What I’ve had to write has nothing to do with whether a rape is legally a rape or not.
What’s I’ve done isn’t to titillate with a nasty scandal, as Gerry claims, in order to demonstrate how liberal and progressive I am while harming the cause of transgender (! talk about rude!).
The question of whether Karen White was faking as a woman in order to rape women is totally immaterial to the argument; it’s a problem for the prison authorities.
The question is whether a transgendered person – transvestite or trans-sexual – is a woman or really a man. You just assume that she’s a man by becoming totally absorbed by this particular case and the weird question of whether rape has to involve a rapist or not.
Pedant? Yes.
Rude – not half, with your false and baseless accusations
Lol Oh give over Scep !! Nice try !!
You’ve never mentioned transvestite until now !!
A Transvestite is just a dated term for ” cross-dresser ” about 85% are straight men, who like to dress as a woman for sexual and possibly emotional reasons.
Transgender are people who cross gender lines. many believe the gender they were assigned at birth is completely incorrect.
Transexuals do something about it !
You brought up the Trial, you said she was Transgender,
and as one transgendered woman raped two other women in prison recently.
Turns out he wasn’t , just a warped individual, into paedophilia and brutalising women.
Oh no that’s not right either is it , now by Sceps Law she/he was a Transvestite !! lol
What I’ve had to write has nothing to do with whether a rape is legally a rape or not.
Really ? you certainly rattled on about it enough, and what people could use.
You brought it up, you said she /he was transgender and had raped 2 women, when questioned if that is at all possible you get all snitty about it and patronising.You disregard others opinions, calling them wrong and crude, yet take offence at the word ‘bullshit’ !! You have never steered this discussion towards any of the matters you later tell us it was ‘really all about’, after your opening gambit, quite happy to wax lyrical about someone you knew had a fling with someone famous…. yes, we’ve all read Brideshead Revisited…yawn.. Quite happy you were to trot along point scoring, tho not often, making snidey comments elaborate about you your me I etc etc
And now its plain to see, you’ve lost your temper, have typed a load of garbage badly, in an effort to save face because you got it wrong !! And attack as a form of defence.Cheer up you can’t always be right … not even you. I suggest you brush up on your ‘Trans’ mate.
” You just assume that she’s a man by becoming totally absorbed by this particular case and the weird question of whether rape has to involve a rapist or not.”
No I assume he is a man as he has raped 2 women with his penis, done time for paedophilia, has done nothing to become a woman, ie hormones, surgery, counselling, other that dress like a woman and insist he is transgender to get in a womans prison , which are full of very vulnerable women, where he then sexually assaulted 2 more !!! I would suggest most people not quite so up themselves and PC would agree wit me !
Oh no that’s not right either is it , now by Sceps Law she/he was a Transvestite !! lol
Ha Ha ha.
weird question of whether rape has to involve a rapist or not.”
The guy is barking mad. There is nothing weird about questioning your FALSE/WRONG interpretation of rape and it ALWAYS involves a rapist and you BROUGHT it up.
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Ge.
Not sure why this thread has become so..well..
In any event..speaking of laws here..sadly not all laws are equal for all..as each state legislate laws and implements them. Often can be tweaked. For example as think said in past..some States jail prostitute..others fine, some warning. Some States legalize weed. Some do not..harsh laws for defenders. Some States have a cut off driving status of 80..85..others don’t..
As I am aware yes..rape was considered penetration… long ago..now..simple..laws state if a woman or man says “no” physical altercation of any kind…considered rape..if by bodily parts or not..emotional state now also considered rape.. actions..even if not physically touched.
Trying to research some laws on Our States..geez I have found multiple differences. But seem to be failing fine few States that support one law in general. I am not using a simple format of computer..but a law library book. It is 15 years old..and assume changes in many areas..but will research more if go to library this week…
As said laws you think go for all..but assume in your regions..not sure what to call them..different as well
Both men and women can rape Rape is defined now as a sexual act without consent and not all sex acts require a penis
This is actually false.
The Sexual Offences Act 2003 defines rape as:
“A person (A) commits an offence if— (a)he intentionally penetrates the vagina, anus or mouth of another person (B) with his penis, (b)B does not consent to the penetration, and c)A does not reasonably believe that B consents.”
This clearly states that rape is only applicable for forced penitration with a penis, specifically by someone with a male identity.
A Transvestite is just a dated term for ” cross-dresser ” about 85% are straight men, who like to dress as a woman for sexual and possibly emotional reasons. Transgender are people who cross gender lines. many believe the gender they were assigned at birth is completely incorrect. Transexuals do something about it ! You brought up the Trial, you said she was Transgender,
Transgender and transexual are also different descriptions.
Specifically a transexual person whats to change their body, and a transgender person only wants social recognition.
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