draculina

I liked the reactionary Lord Salisbury when he argued against Christian attempts to stop Darwin’s theory of evolution when it first emerged in the 1860s.

he said that religion and science should be left to develop in their own ways. Neither should interfere with the other, though either is free to be aware of development si the…[Read more]

You seem to know that there’s an eternity of nothingness.

I’ve never been dead so I have genuinely no idea.

I would be genuinely interested in what makes you so certain, as I’ve known a number of people who have died now and if somebody knows what their life is like (or not like) I’d be very interested to know.

They haven’t told me, as…[Read more]

That’s just cheap rhetoric, though not as much as some o the other one-line sounbites you use.

Confront an argument with an argument. That’s grown-up debate.

The philosophy of science is about finding methodologies and approaches whihc incorporate the diverse fields of scientific enquiry.

Dawkins is so arrogant that he ignores falsifiabilty…[Read more]

That’s just cheap rhetoric, though not as much as some o the other one-line sounbites you use.

Confront an argument with an argument. That’s grown-up debate.

The philosophy of science is about finding methodologies and approaches whihc incorporate the diverse fields of scientific enquiry.

Dawkins is so arrogant that he ignores falsifiabilty…[Read more]

That  quotation is something I’m talking about.

It’s a poetic expression of a non-scientific truth.

It may be silly. It may actually be true because as a poetic expression it points to something enchanted about our cosmos.

It’s not the end of discussion, though, but the beginning.

What if it isn’t true? What if the cosmos is a meaningless,…[Read more]

The diverse world of science is brought together on this by the philosophy of science. Of course the testing of hypotheses leads to results, but no scientist nowadays thinks that leads to closure. Ever since Popper, scientists have accepted that falsifiability is the fundamental condition of experimentation. If it’s not falsifiable, then it’s not…[Read more]

The Dawkins atheist crowd seem a bit freaky to me.

How can you say science can prove things? It shows a total ignorance of science. Science is about the testing of hypotheses, and the hypotheses are constantly being disproved. Very few scientists (other than Dawkins) believe that science proves things. Even Dawkins, in a moment of self-honesty,…[Read more]

Yes, it’s going to be deleted as soon as Martin reads some of the revolting comments.

The problem is, Mister, that any post on this topic will be deleted because of the tendency to obscenity among the Dawkins followers. It’s easier than argument.

The Bible is full of contradicitons and there is some evil stuff in there.

When the Jews conquered one tribe (Book of Numbers) Moses ordered his followers to kill all the men; then to go through the women and girls to see which ones were still virgin; to kill all the non-virgin women. As for the rest, do with them as you please. One could…[Read more]

Letting your emotions getting on top of you a bit  here.

Martin did ask for this thread to be respectful and serious.

Typical of the Dawkins approach.

Some people are able to argue a case with more serious intent.

Respect follows from being serious.

When someone isn’t serious at all, then the quoted post is almost inevitable.

I remember once hearing some guy from Manchester Uni arguing that parents have a natural right to do whatever they like to their children – including abusing them. The reason being that the parents created the child, therefore own the child. He didn’t advocate a parent abusing the child; merely argued that they had a right to do so it they…[Read more]

Sarah, that’s fine. You don’t want to discuss religion, and don’t see the need to discuss religion.

I’m not an evangelical. don’t think religion should be pushed down anyone’s throats.

Drac, I’m not frightened to discuss religion, as you know. It’s nice to discuss in an adult way, and not in the fundamentalist tub-thumping proof of every…[Read more]

Santa Claus certainly seems to be the main idea of God held by people in this country.

Hence the anger when some loved one dies, or when something goes wrong, or when the meal is over-cooked. If there were a God, would he allow such pain???

Stands to reason hey?

Most people have a school-child’s view of daddy God and ickle Jeebus meek and mild.…[Read more]

Santa Claus certainly seems to be the main idea of God held by people in this country.

Hence the anger when some loved one dies, or when something goes wrong, or when the meal is over-cooked. If there were a God, would he allow such pain???

Stands to reason hey?

Most people have a school-child’s view of daddy God and ickle Jeebus meek and mild.…[Read more]

Thanks to linda and milky, but shaky was never my scene.

Ruby,

not only were you resident at Hackney Labour Club when I was there but you were also a registered Berlin addict.

That was an experience, not an album.

I spent a long time on each ironic nuance and musical arrangement. I think the word was obsession. From the opening words – when he sang Bay it was paradise, you knew something dreadful…[Read more]

Jane, I agree with your point, but…

JWs are not alone.Christianity and Islam are the two missionary religions – they believe in conversion. That’s why their conflicts are bloody when it turns physical, from the Crusades to ISIS.

However, one thing you can say to them is no, or amusing variations, and they’ll go. I always tell the JWs that I…[Read more]

The post says that Religion is like a penis..you don’t push it on children.

The analogy is clear to all.

If you had said that religion is private. don#’t push it on children, then you would have made a good argument.

But the OP didn’t say that, did it?

Very heavy-handed smear technique. Guilt by association in the clearest possible way, and…[Read more]

This is a very good point made by Drac.

All those religions whihc start with the teaching of Moses – mosaic religions – preach that homosexuality is repulsive. That means Judaism, Christianity and Islam.

Where they then go on to kill gays, then gays have a right to defend themselves, and they have a right to demand that others rally to their…[Read more]

The Original Post is juat an infantile put-down.

It raises serious points in a manner whihc is just not serious.

Someone who preaches religion is not in the same category as a pedophile.