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    It’s much worse than this, once elected an established polititian cannot be voted out of office. If the party supports them then they will be placed in the #1 position on the list, so they can only be remove if the entire party gets 0 seats.

    They don’t even have to be elected first, a party can just choose someone as say “That’s out guy”, (litterally in Verhofstadt’s case), and they would be guanrenteed a seat.

    If this system was used in the UK all Labour MPs would be hardcore marxists like John McDonnel, and all Conservative MPs would be authoritarian puritans like Theresa May or Amber Rudd. The country would be in chaos.

    #1114902

    I absolutely agree on this, Drac. It’s not a democratic way of going about things. The best it can do is elect a Parliament which reflects the proportion of votes cast for a party. PR is a totally undemocratic way of choosing a government. But the d’Hondt system used for Euro elections does neither. It doesn’t choose a government at all, because the EU government is chosen by other means – democratic in a sense, but very indirect. It certainly doesn’t choose a democratic parliament. An incredibly complex system – someone explained it to me clearly, and it boggles the mind.

    It’s much worse than this, once elected an established polititian cannot be voted out of office. If the party supports them then they will be placed in the #1 position on the list, so they can only be remove if the entire party gets 0 seats.

    this is why the EU parliment is full of extremist european nationalists like Guy Verhofstadt.

    I prefer STV (single transferable vote), as it solves most of the same problems with none of the disadvantages and also removes the need for tactical voting.

    #1114857

    quite a few by all accounts, as there’s something called the d’Hondt system which ensures that the MEPs elected bear little relationship to the MEPs voters want

    This is an unavoidable consequence of proportional representation, it is a terrible system.

    #1114856

    I voted for UKIP.

    The Brexit Party is a joke.

    #1114621

    It’s only a matter of time until someone fills up a milkshake cup with acid.

    Labour party activists have started encouraging this now.

    :wacko:

    #1114596

    It’s only a matter of time until someone fills up a milkshake cup with acid.

    #1114481

    Apparently Claire Fox, one of the leading Brexit Party candidates (for the Northwest, so could well be elected), is against the censorship of child porn, among other things!!

    I’ve never heard of Claire Fox, nor do I support the Brexit Party.

    I don’t know why you tried to associate this with me.

    I’m not in favour of censorship of ideas. Not even when someone wants to advocate showing Saddam’s execution etc…perhaps if you give a good reason for showing such pain and cruelty??

    No reason is required.

    But if you really want one, to confirm that events happened in the way in which they were reported. You also can’t report on the events in the first place if you aren’t allowed to view them to know what happened.

    #1114474

    but wouldn’t you censor child porn, or live televised dog fighting to the death, or watching public hangings?

    Anyone involved in the production of such videos should be procecuted, as they are illegal acts.

    With the exception of child porn, I don’t think they should be censored.

    Do you think it should be illegal to watch Saddam Hussein‘s execution? It is a historical event.

    #1114407

    There is no rational argument for censorship.

    #1114007

    When you stop ignoring me I will listen to what you have to say

    :wacko:

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