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Everything waits on the Catholic Church to allow proper carbon testing. And the Catholic Church is like Treebeard, the Ent in Lord of the Rings. It takes centuries for them to move. That’s the time-realm in which they operate.
I’m not really sure that carbon dating would prove anything, the bible doesn’t say much about when Jesus was suppose to be alive. It mentions Pontius Pilate, who was in power around 36–39 AD, but naming the wrong roman official doesn’t really matter that much, the Roman Empire was around in some form in the general area until the 15th Century. Although what is considered to be the holy lands was occupied by various islamic caphiphates by then.
I don’t see how you could prove that the shroud was used on Jesus.
If Jesus was a real person, we don’t what what he looked like, or have his DNA (if he even had DNA, being God).
Even if through carbon dating, or some other method showed that the shround wasn’t 2000 years old, it doesn’t disprove that it was used by Jesus either. As there is no evidence that he ever existed, he could have lived in any time
this is becoming a thread about Christ more than about Hawking.
I don’t find it interesting, or useful to talk about individual people, I prefer discuss ideas and concepts.
I think it was a good thing that Hawkins died, he has said some strange things in the last few years such as that we should shut down all radio broadcasts so that aliens don’t invade, and that AI will kill everyone.
It is best that his legacy should not be that of a consipracy theorist, but as a great scientist. Both in terms of research, and in attracting public insterest in physics. He was also a role model for the disabled, he showed the world that anything is achievable if you work hard enough for it.
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Commandment Alert Level Punishment 1. Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Severe Genocide. Entire cities with men, women, children and animals must be killed. (Deuteronomy 2:33-34, Numbers 21:34-35, 1 Samuel 15:2-3, Joshua 6:21. Joshua 10:40) In some cases you can keep the girls alive for raping. (Numbers 31:15-18) 2. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image Severe Genocide. Entire cities with men, women, children and animals must be killed. (See above.) 3. Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; High Capital punishment (Leviticus 24:16, Deuteronomy 18:20, Mark 3:28-29) 4. Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. High Capital punishment (Exodus 31:14, Exodus 31:15, Exodus 35:2 Numbers 15:32) 5. Honour thy father and thy mother: High Capital punishment (Exodus 21:15, Exodus 21:17, Leviticus 20:9) 7. Thou shalt not commit adultery. High Capital punishment (Leviticus 20:10) 6. Thou shalt not kill. Elevated Capital punishment in some cases (For killing Cain, yes, for killing Abel, no: Genesis 4:15). 8. Thou shalt not steal. Guarded Excessive fines or slavery: (Exodus 22:1-3). Only in rare cases such as stealing slaves, capital punishment (Exodus 21:16). Thieves caught in the night are to be executed (Exodus 22:1-3) 9. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour. Low Despisement and scorn (Proverbs 12:8) 10. Thou shalt not covet . . . Low Despisement and scorn (Romans 7:7-8)
These aren’t actually the 10 commandments, which is another thing Christians seem to get wrong a lot. Moses wrote these commandments on stone tablets, but then immediatedly destroyed them when he discovered that his followers began worshiping a golden calf. He returned up the mountain where God gave him new commandments, which were the ones placed into the Arc of the Covenant :
“17 Don’t make metal images of gods.18 Don’t fail to observe the Festival of Thin Bread in the month of Abib.[c] Obey me and eat bread without yeast for seven days during Abib, because that is the month you left Egypt.
19 The first-born males of your families and of your flocks and herds belong to me.
20 You can save the life of a first-born donkey[d] by sacrificing a lamb; if you don’t, you must break the donkey’s neck. You must save every first-born son.
Bring an offering every time you come to worship.
21 Do your work in six days and rest on the seventh day, even during the seasons for plowing and harvesting. 22 Celebrate the Harvest Festival[e] each spring when you start harvesting your wheat, and celebrate the Festival of Shelters[f] each autumn when you pick your fruit.
23 Your men must come to worship me three times a year, because I am the Lord God of Israel. 24 I will force the nations out of your land and enlarge your borders. Then no one will try to take your property when you come to worship me these three times each year.
25 When you sacrifice an animal on the altar, don’t offer bread made with yeast. And don’t save any part of the Passover meal for the next day.
26 I am the Lord your God, and you must bring the first part of your harvest to the place of worship.
Don’t boil a young goat in its mother’s milk.” – Exodus 34
It’s almost like these people have never actually read the literature that their belief relies on
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nor fluffy clouds
The bible never actually describes heaven this way, the literal interpretation of Heaven is a multi-coloured lightning storm filled with 100 eyed lions and 4 headed angels. It’s pretty weird.
Historical images of heaven are more similar to what is described :
(Although this image seems to depict the Firmament, not Heaven itself)Edit:
I found a excerpt from Ezekiel 1 that matches what I had described:
As I looked, behold, a storm wind was coming from the north, a great cloud with fire flashing forth continually and a bright light around it, and in its midst something like glowing metal in the midst of the fire. 5Within it there were figures resembling four living beings. And this was their appearance: they had human form. 6Each of them had four faces and four wings. 7Their legs were straight and their feet were like a calf’s hoof, and they gleamed like burnished bronze. 8Under their wings on their four sides were human hands. As for the faces and wings of the four of them, 9their wings touched one another; their faces did not turn when they moved, each went straight forward. 10As for the form of their faces, each had the face of a man; all four had the face of a lion on the right and the face of a bull on the left, and all four had the face of an eagle.-
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The modern Christians don’t believe in the resurrection etc etc , nor after life nor fluffy clouds and meeting back up with auntie fanny who died 20 years ago
Then they aren’t Christian.
If heaven doesn’t exist, then none of Christianity makes any sense.
Blaise pascal Google if you don’t know who he is said it best I lose little if god doesn’t exist and have maximum gain if I’m correct that he does
Pascal’s Wager falls apart when you consider there is more than one possible god to worship, and many possible religions in which to worship them through.
Which transforms this:
Into this, where the most probabable outcome of any belief is enternal punishment :
It also doesn’t consider that an unknown god is the correct one, or that the real god is know but not the correct way to worship them.
I’m sending positive vibes your way.
Thoughts and prayers.
The conclusions will give some clues if a universal basic income is economically viable.
UBI is not economically viable as I have explored above. So far I haved ignored the societal consequences of a guarenteed income, which I believe would be disasterous.
Also as JN stated, a robotics revolution is coming and there will not be enough paid full time work when it does.
There is no evidence to support this. If such a ‘revolution’ does happen then it is a possibiltiy, but the same claims were also made about the car, and the personal computer. These predictions were laughably wrong, these technologies have created far more jobs than were lost.
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