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@ubermik wrote:
IF, and its an important if, you CAN with any sense or validity claim that NO white english person would EVER have reacted to a scumbag little scrote in this way, THEN, and ONLY then does this become anything whatsoever to do with race or immigration
As I know many white british people WOULD react in this exact same way then it isnt a racial issue except to racists
Absolute total and utter bullcrud
To present a supposition which states that “its only racist if NO other white english person would react in the same way” is simply beyond the boundaries of barking
It is an irrelevance what ANY other individual would have done- the child hurls an object (fruit I think) and states “go back to where you came from” to a Slovakian. It is nonsensical to suggest unless theres not one single white english person who wouldnt have beaten him, its not a rascist remark.
Just because I’d have beaten him too doesnt mean it’s not rascist- white english people can also be offended by remarks made about others- you dont have to be a minority to be offended by racism!
wasnt he the lil boy on Wogan who knew all about antiques aged 10 n then became a woman when he grew up…. or did i just dream that?
Absolutely Sharon..in fact a recent poll showed 3rd generation Britons MORE concerned about immigration than white Britons….but as the programme said, perhaps if we stopped looking at everyone as “British West Indian, British Muslim, British Indian, British White etc” n just said “British” then we move on a step (n I’m as guilty as anyone of doing it) n the colour becomes no more of an issue than what football team they support
Ah Sharon but watch when you pay doule or triple for your grocery bill!
This lil ole county of mine has approx 100,000 migrant summer workers (my village of 358 has 650 eastern Europeans living in big converted warehouses down the lane- n no, we dont have any trouble n the local pub landlord thinks its xmas every day!) but its a chicken n egg question- supply drives demand…or demand drives supply?
Is it a supermarket buying cheap produce to kepp prices down or is it the consumer who wants cheap prices n will go elsewhere if its not cheap?
@waspish wrote:
ive just decided this would be my policy for britain on immigration what thinks you all :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink:
anyone wanting to live in britain must :
1 pass an oral and written english test to gcse standard.
if they cant read and speak english they dont get in.As only 50% of English people manage to pass an English GCSE, can we expect a mass eviction of anyone who fails this! or are we expecting an immigrant to be more highly qualifed than an indigenous northerner (or southerner)
@waspish wrote:
2 all people settling here must prove private medical insurance is in place and the passport holder will be liable for deportation should they let this insurance lapse.
Seems reasonable, if bureaucratically unworkable
@waspish wrote:
4 anyone arriving in britain as an asylum seeker will be automaticaly disqualified if they have travelled through more than one country to get here, thus stopping the thousands of somalis, african sub continental, and arab countries poples arriving here fo asylum.
You mean the only migrants are gonna be Scots, Welsh, Irish……n French!! I’d rather have a nubile hungarian than a bleeding Frenchman anyday…n ffs, can’t you think of something that will keepm the Scots n Welsh out too (like a wall)!
@waspish wrote:
5 anyone wishing for their offspring to be educated here will be interviewed by teachers and other educational professionals and if they cannot speak or understand the basics of english [spoken] the parents will pay for private english lessons until the child is ready to enter mainstream education.
Blimey Wasp, we’re gonna have migrants withmore qualfictions than most scallies down the local- do you really want an educated migrant class…isnt it better to keep them in low paid, unaspirational jobs- that way, they wont want to improve their lot n might leave!
@waspish wrote:
6 all people settling here who wish to drive must pass an english driving test. driving lisences allowed in other countries are not permitted.
So a Portugese driving license (or Spanish etc) won’t be allowed just an English (British) one- so better educated n better drivers (how many locals do you know Wasp who dont have a driving license- or havent passed their test- but still drive? :wink:
@waspish wrote:
any immigrant found breaking the law will be liable for a status review depending on the severity of the case they could be deported. if the criminal is the main wage earner in the household then they risk the whole family being deported along with them. there would be no acceptions.
Aha, one thing you havent mentioned is how long before a migrant becomes a local? An immigrant is only an immigrant until he is a Briton, then he’s jus like you n me :shock:
@waspish wrote:
ell that was a good ole rant …. seriously what policy would you stand on and why ? :wink:
A good rant indeed n not without some valid points! Interestingly on dispatches, British Indians contribute more (taxes etc) n take less (social, benefit etc) than White Britons! Makes you think dunnit :D
@waspish wrote:
@*Sian wrote:
I watched some of it… Nothing I didn’t already know… all our resourses are used helping others rather than our own.
We have a polish invasion where I live no longer can you talk your own tongue and be understood. Plap!
I notice that in one town in lincoln the population is one third immigrant workers mainly young men. sureley this is wrong its a recipe for disaster ?
Wasp, its one town in Lincolnshire (Boston) and its mainly Portugese immigrants in the summer working the land- how the feck do you think you get your veggies so cheap at your local supermarket if not by migrant workers.
People are happy to take the cheap produce of migrant labour but just dont want the migrant labour!
Replacing an old boiler at home?
Simply get a good lawyer and divorce her- cheap at half the price
@ubermik wrote:
As much as I dont agree with many aspects of our immigration policy I dont think thats the main topic in this thread
Just because he was beaten by an “immigrant” doesnt really impinge on this at all IMO
The basic facts here that are being clouded by pointing out she is an immigrant is that the kid is a disrespectful little sh-it
Had he done the same to some elderly white british born bloke who had then reacted in the exact same way the real facts wouldnt have changed, it just wouldnt have been able to be clouded with eroneous and unimportant information about immigrants
And as much of an over reaction as it MIGHT have been perhaps that one action might teach him the respect he obviously hasnt been taught by his parents
Suppose he hadnt had the crap beaten out of him, what then? That teaches him he can throw things at people and call them names with no recourse, and he is ONLY 10 FFS
Anyone want to take a stab at what hes likely to be like at 15 if he consistently got away with things like that? And at 20?
But suppose every single time he threw something at someone or called them names they beat the crap out of the little fish what then? Chances are hes going to lose interest in that particular pastime pretty quickly I’d bet
Infact if you look at a lot of countries or rural areas in many countries the world over thats exactly what would happen to a kid doing that, perhaps not quite as bad and not with a piece of pipe lol, but a beating nonetheless, and if they then go and tell mummy what happened and why then mummy would give them another pasting
And quel surpris, they dont have as much violent youth crime as us, well duh! :D
Partly agree- any little gobshy/te deserves what he gets if he/she acts like this- it will make him/her think twice about doing it again- zero tolerance would create a much better society in time.
However, I assume Emma’s point is (well rather the copy n paste article she’s just posted) this.
Had this been in reverse and it was a 10 year old Slovakian gobshy/te who had told a 20 year old Luton woman (dont care what colour the 20 year old Luton woman was) to “f*ck off” or something similar and the 20 year old had beaten the little gobshy/te Slovak, the outcome would, in all likelihood, be different.
And that I assume is the point of the post- indigenous (and for Emma’s sake, I mean ALL Britons not just white ones) people are becoming increasingly concerned with the imbablance of a country which does not treat everyone as equal but in fact treats Britons with less respect than non Britons.
When a British Muslim peer says the BNP has a valid point on UNCONTROLLED immigration, perhaps it is time to take stock of how this impacts on specific areas of the country and how all indigenous populations feel?
Rhys Jones is from Croxteth in Liverpool (ffs Uber,I knowe you watch the news) and Maddie’s Mcann’s mother is a Liverpudlian
Taking it one stage further then- is the inference that ANY comedy is funny (to some) and it is the beholder who is at fault for not finding it funny rather than the comedian? Therefore should a comedian be able to tell ANY joke
IE “How do you stop a child drowning”? Ans= Take your foot off its head
Not even remotely funny…now exchange the word “child” for the word “p*ki” or “n*gger” or “homo” etc etc and suddenly a lot more people find it funny
The theory that someone finds something funny therefore justifies the telling of the joke doesnt justify the actual joke itself-
And what about “physical” comedy. Happy slapping is amusing to some- indeed some would call it comedy (if the definition of humour is something that makes you laugh)-the action of the individual and the reaction of the recipient makes it a chuckle for some but I wouldn’t say it could be considered appropriate to the majority or indeed “right”
@ubermik wrote:
@anita Gofradump wrote:
Comedy, humour, jokes, call it what you will. Has no boundries, so i don’t see these jokes as a problem personally, would they of been so p!ssed off had he made some manc jokes like those, or even about colin mccrae, i think not.
I have to agree with that
Humour is subjective, theres no universal right or wrong as much as many cling desperately to their moral highground trying to claim there is
Things like this just arent types of humour some people get or find funny but which will be a humourous distraction from the darker side of an issue for someone else
Humour may be subjective by its very nature but the sign of a good comedian is to understand their audience and tailor the comedic presentation to the level of said audience.
It says something about a comedian’s judgement when he makes jokes in Liverpool about Ryhs Jones and Maddie McCann- why didnt he go for all 3 and include one about Hillsborough!
