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@ubermik wrote:
Topics like this are viewed with a near lack of common sense even by many alleged “profesionals”
Just because their sexuality isnt “normal” its assumed to be a totally different thing TO “sexuality” and is tried to be explained away as illness, evil, mental problems etc etc
Realistically tho its merely a sexual variant nothing more, the same as someone developing a foot fetish, or one for slime collector sniffing and millions of other “variants” that arent boring vanilla sexual practices
BUT it is not about whether bestiality, sadism and necrophilia is flogging a dead horse- its about society’s (and the law’s) view of what is and isnt acceptable. Society has made a clear distinct line that adult/child sexual contact is morally, ethically and legally wrong- whilst someone may indeed have a foot fetish and society may view them as “odd” or “unusual”, it does not view them as breaking the law
Of course any form of sexual act, within any thing animate or inanimate, is part of sexuality but just as rape is as much about control and power (and the sexual “buzz” which accompanies that power), so paedophilia is about power and control as much as it is about any sexual act itself- the power over the child and the power to bend that child to their will
@ubermik wrote:
Yes in many cases it COULD “possibly” be traced back to what the exact fascination was caused by, or what traumatic events, dissassociations or affectations were the seed that the sexual obsession grew from
But as is the case with many sexual variations they are very often childhood occurences that will be so deep rooted in the persons mind and that will have permeated so much of their consciousness that came afterwards they will be unchangeable
BUT if you believe sexuality, at least for the majority, is preconceived (literally) and that your sexuality is a given when you are born then events in your childhood cannot affect your future sexual deviances becuase you are already programmed genetically. And if many sexual deviances are affected by the subconscious relfecting pre pubsecent events, then it WOULD be “treatable”-it would be psychological not physical.
@ubermik wrote:
You have I reckon, as much chance of “curing” a paedo as you do a homosexuals sexuality or as much chance of convincing a straight sexually prolific man that tits and fannies arent sexual
But until people consider paedophilia more as an actual sexuality or “kink” and respond to it accordingly rather than as some “illness” or dysfunction of a different type the solutions will be just as missguided and inneffective
But paedophilia is a dysfunction- if your analogy that is all part of sexuality and that it is no different, at its base, than any other debviant sexual act then by the very nature that it is not accepted, it is dysfunctional. It may be an artificially dysfucntional driven by societies abhorrence of paedophilia but it is still a dysfunction.
Just like the many varied and diverse forms of mental illness- mental health, par se, has different variants (from psychotic to dillusional), the variants must be dysfucntional if they are different from what is considered the norm? 30 years ago, mentally ill people were permanently locked up for their own, and societies, safety. Now they are “out in the community”. Perhaps its time to revert that and lock up every paedo walking the street- if they are indeed rational, then it would be a wonderful deterrent
getting paid :)
@ubermik wrote:
OMG lol
Lobotomised retards must look down on you then if you think thats “looking down” on someone :lol: :lol: :lol:
Since when has a statement of fact been either negative or positive? And even more intriguingly when as I DID point out, when its actually stated by the person themselves to begin with
You will struggle to find a single “success” who hasnt failed repeatedly on their way to that success, its part of the process majoratively. a process most people wimp out of after a few failures hence why only a very small percentage of people ever attain any degree of massive accomplishment
Wanting to feel as tho you have a reason to be able to “look down” on people seems more up your alley really ROTT, but no matter how much you might try to dim someone elses light it doesnt make yours shine any brighter, it just feels like it does for a short time
Err- no most people wouldnt struggle to find success stories (Bill Gates came immediately to mind).
It is exceptionally generic not to say naive to suggest most millionaires have failed their way to the top- if it was that easy, most of us would have loadsa money, right? Wrong? Learning from failure and applying that knowledge to prevent future mistakes I can accept, but simply failing consistently as if blindly blundering around directionless will no more make you a millionaire than the lotto.
Of course money doesnt make you “right” in what you do, think, say or act…money, in a business world, simply states you have succeeded in what you strove to achieve and gives you no more a right to hold a specific view than anyone else
And you’re statement was not “fact”, part of it at least, was a subjective opinion which is not “fact” but merely your view
Whether Branson gives some of his money to some fund for the Mccanns is up to him- afterall, if the premise “innocent until proven guilty” is an accepted underpinning principle of British justice then the Mcanns, as yet, havent been even charged let alone found gulity of anything- its his money!
Now that is an interesting point- Could Engalnd&Wales become the Serbia&Montengro of Western Europe? Should Cornwall (as already stated, never actaully ceded into the UK at any point in its history) become autonomous? Wessex and Mercia don’t exist anymore so may be more difficult to find any support for autonomy- also the demography of both regions has changed over the last few hundred years- Mercians (as they would be now) would have very little affiliation with something that ceased to exist centuries ago as many of them have ancestry, in this country, which only goes back 3 or 4 generations
IMO the monarchy is one of the few “institutions” which is holding the fabric of the UK together in terms of a single country- a move to a republic would in all essence guarrantee the successful achievement of independence for Scotland and whichever other country followed.
NI is more likely to become part of a federal Ireland than remain part of the UK- IMO
@ubermik wrote:
Actually pebbles heres a paradigm shift for ya
Lets suppose for a moment that youre right, that people wanting to watch paedo stuff makes other people become paedos and start molesting kids (the ones you said would stop doing it if nobody wanted to watch)
If someones sexual drive can be so easily driven askew by a visual representation then why dont we have a mass campaigh to stop depictations like Britney spears in her school uniform? Strippers wearing school uniforms, sex shops being banned from selling school uniforms and manufacturers banned from making thongs and “womanly” underwear as well as clothes that should be called the “teenage hooker” style for kids?
All of those and many other things eat into a childs childness and blurrs the boundaries between childhood and sexuality?
Now having a daughter myself the kind of slutty trash they are allowed to make and sell specifically for children, not even small adults is disgusting (in the proper sense of the word) and yet mothers the country over rush out and buy it for their kids and send or take them out in it (or in the MCanns case drug them and leave them home alone in it haha :D, soz, couldnt resist that one :D)
So if theres this link between visuals and sexual urges where is the huge campaign to stamp out such things?
Even without that link why hasnt morality kicked in and why havent mothers en masse refused to buy such garbage for their kids?
is the real root cause of the apparent and alleged increase in paedophillia simply the result of social apathy on seemingly inconsequential things that in turn make children be seen as “sexual” in the same way the media has controlled what men and women view as “sexy” by over exposure of a certain type of person which has to varying degrees influenced entire generations
But if people cant be bothered to do something as simple as making the choice to not dress their kids like whores what amount of effort could be expected to really be put behind any decent degree of social change and remoralisation?
heres a parsdigm shift for you Uber
Firstly, several reports and court cases have ldrawn a direct correlation between (for example) violent pornography and the offenders crime. There is, and continues to be, campaigns.
Of course society itself is sexualising at a younger age (youngest teenage pregnancy rate in Europe, highest number of partners before we reach 18 etc)- however this is not an excuse to download a video of an 8 year old being sodomised.
Why dont some mothers make an ethical and moral responsibility on behalf of their children to NOT buy something which makes them out to be something they are not? Because some mothers aren’t fit to even utter the word, let alone be one (same goes for fathers) and hence we have feral gangs with no sense of responsibility or respect for anything or anyone..but thats a seperate issue.
However does that mean you don’t make the effort because others don’t? No, it should mean you try harder!
Paedophilia is on the increase almost solely because of this lil old netwrok we call the internet- open access to millions of image of the most appalling kind of abuse and torture at your fingertips, linking to others around the world etc with similar views.
Anyone who accesses and views this material, wheter it’s 15 or 15 million images, perpetuates the abuse and guarrantees it can continue.
A better question would be- why is there no global will to close down these sites, or block access to them- the entire indutry could almost be closed down overnight
@bassingbourne55 wrote:
The Isle of Man IS an independent country in the way that Canada, Australia and New Zealand are. It is a crown dependency, you are right, but it is not part of the UK in the way that England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are. It has its own parliament and passes its own laws. It is not a member of the EU. In practice the IOM passes laws similar to English laws but that is only out of practicality and it doesn’t have to.
But unlike the NZ, Oz etc, The IoM foriegn policy and defence are the responsibility of the United Kingdom and hence as such it can’t be fully independent either as it has no control over its own defence or foreign policy.
@bat wrote:
Oh dear me look at this then. Just as they were getting all nicely settled in back home too. Shame.
Oh, this is the Sky News exclusive report revelation (speculation reported as fact, you heard it here first folks) that the Portugese police had to publicly say was incorrect today because the British media keep publishing “leaks” and “heresay” as fact…in the aim of claiming they had the exclusive.
Working in health, I’d be interesting to see Uber post a link to his “its an observed and known fact” anecdote about particular professions in social and healthcare and within the military.. could be true, then again could be bo/llox dressed up in waffle as fact…! Who knows :shock:
Psychos work in every area of work- public, private sector, manufacturing, service sector etc- I believe Uber is saying it is the actual work they do which desensitises them to death and thereby allowing people to die who they otherwise would have saved rather than the fact they were psychos in the first place.
Which is exactly the same principled rationale behind violent porn and sexual abusers really- I’m not a sexual predator with a bad attitude, the violent porn I watch for 15 hours a day made me that way?! Maybe? Could be right.
NO Emma, Paramount is a film company (n films are fiction right)
The truth is in the eye of the beholder
@bassingbourne55 wrote:
Britain, geographically, is an island. Great Britain includes this island and numerous small islands around its coast (excluding the Isle of Man, which is an independent country).
Pedantic I am Bass but IoM isnt an independent country- its a Crown Dependency with the Queen as head of state- however it is a good example of how somewhere like Cornwall could gain a level of freedom whilst still retaining links with the UK
@ubermik wrote:
What then?
I’ve just finished watching a film called “Out Law” starring Sean Bean (at cinemas 2007), about a group of ordinary people who have ended up feeling let down by the law, the government and the system in general
Annoyed at criminals walking out of jail for grievous assaults before the victim is even out of hospital, of the same sob story excuse being used over and over to get repeat violent offenders a light sentence time after time, of thugs who feel that its their right to commit crime and rather than the honour shown even by criminals just a few decades ago when caught will prey on the weak, elderly or infirm as payback for getting caught
People who decided that the criminals shouldnt own the streets, shouldnt face no real punishment irrespective of what they do and that ordinary hard working people shouldnt have to stay behind locked doors or hide away in fear of the risk of making a stand
People who dont think a hard childhood is a viable excuse for unprovoked attacks on strangers by a teenager or adult who is old enough to DECIDE to do something different but decided to carry on anyway
People who decided that the law and the criminal justice system seems to protect the criminal and their rights but doesnt have the time or manpower to do the same for anyone else
So they take it into their own hands and make the criminals pay for their crimes in a way that doesnt have an appeals proceedure, doesnt have bleeding hearts social workers pointing out that little 18 year old, 6 foot, 15 stone timmy never had all of the transformer toys for christmas when he was 8 which affected him so badly that he shouldnt REALLY be blamed for raping, robbing and then beating up the 73 year old disabled pensioner and that a custodial sentence even tho this IS his 52nd violent assault would only add to the trauma the poor little mite has already had to endure, and a way that requires bandages, crutches, dental work or even a coffin to aid them on their parole afterwards rather than free holidays and organised days out
So thats the film, the questions here tho are….
how far away from this sort of thing happening for real do people think we are?
as much as it is inherently wrong, how much “righter” is the social and legal system we are expected to rely on for “justice”?
how more or less an effective deterrant do you think this sort of action would be to the “victims”?
and finally, were this sort of vigilantyism already going on, just how would you feel about the act itself and how would you feel for the “victims” of it where as a few examples the people who got “sorted” were a thug who got 6 months for dealing out injuries that left permanent scars, or teenagers who had “happy slapped” a vagrant to death just for the fun of it?
Wasnt this portrayed in Winner’s “Deathwish” 20 years ago? Vigilantyism (or whatever its called) plays to peoples emotions very cleverly. Crime and the apparent lack of suitable punishment makes you and I feel impotent and powerless.
Unable to gain revenge on those who seek to ruin our cosy little worlds and seek to upskittle the fabric of our perceived ideal of society, we view a physical retribution on those who have preputrated the crimes as “just” and “deserved”. It provides a feeling of control and power. If feels like we are “getting our own back” at those who wreck our lives when the court’s namby pamby pink and fluffy sentences dont reflect our own desire for revenge
Hence the majority of the population would very vocally support capital punishment for child murderers and (possibly) those who murder members of the police force.
For me its a double edged sword- its one step away from the lynch mob- however a lynch mob simply means the power switches elsewhere and the injustives continue but delivered by someone else.
I’d quite happily birch (publicly) any drug dealer prior to a minimum 15 year prison sentence. Peadophiles should be life in prison, no parole, no remand, no remission etc- but it wont happen.
