draculina

Laine, fully agree with your judgement on Mrs May blaming the MPS for continually rejecting her deal – a deal which would have left us as a genuine vassal state.

But

she’s decided to crash out of the EU on 12th April if her deal fails. The FT reported this, and the BBC said the report seems to be very accurate, and May’s speech last night…[Read more]

any suggestions, Paige??

To clear up a misunderstanding before I’m accused of being a horrible, horrible man,

there are two marches but on different dates.

Having listened to the Dancing Queen finally going barmy on public tv yesterday evening, I was convinced that she had finally destroyed her own deal. This seems to have been borne out by the reactions within parliament today.

That looks likely to mean no deal, and that we leave on 29th march unless parliament takes over next week.

In the last…[Read more]

Well, Donald Tusk has thrown a spanner in the works.

He’s basically told parliament to stop shilly shallying around and make their mind up next week or we leave without a deal on 29th March.

Let’s see if the EU 27 support him in the next day or so.

It makes sense.

Nothing concentrates anybody’s mind more than knowing that they’re…[Read more]

Grrrr….

you are very wise, though.

We may easily end up with a no deal catastrophe

We’ll see soon, Ms Drac.

We’re on a bus which has gone out of control. no driver, no escape hatches, no real clue as to where it’s going to end up.

Literally, anything can happen.

So I’m sitting back, hoping that at some point in the future we’llb e back where we bleong – inside the EU.

Cosy is still hanging around the chatroom, presenting his invaluable insights.

Are you both trying to say he isn’t always telling the truth, that he just makes things up, that he doesn’t have the interests of his fellow human beings uppermost in his mind???

Very difficult for me to believe

Well, the actual argument on this thread was quite interesting, though it seems to have come to an end.

I don[‘t know how to say until you understand,

but I really, really can’t be bothered to understand what you’re talking about.

There are people here who have been trying to make serious points because they enjoy and care about genuine, serious argument and discussion, and still have respect for each other at the end.

Just recently, I saw one…[Read more]

I don’t agree with you one iota, somer, but you make serious points seriously.

It does seem that they weren’t groomed by any individual pedo, and it seems certain that they went off their own backs, like the daft 15 year-olds they were, stealing and the jewellery of their devout Muslim parents to get the money.

But it does seem a fair bet that…[Read more]

He goes overboard on personal abuse and attempts to embarrass, Somer, to cover up his poor skills in argument.

Sophia made a serious point that the girls hadn’t been groomed, with evidence to back it up. I called this evidence into question – as it seemed a bit odd to me, but Sophia backed out of answering my point.

Her point was mainly raised…[Read more]

The ones who think they own the sire are the ones who tell people whether they can post or not.

No personal attack on Sophia at all, if you read it carefully. I don’t accuse her of Islamophobia. I merely asked her to say what her sources were, so that I know that we’re not reading the lies peddled by Britain First. Her information sounded very…[Read more]

Your argument is also long and drawn-out, and hardly exciting, but I read it.

Arguments and discussions on chatroom boards, especially in the Getting Serious section, are precisely the place to pursue a point, and if you won’t read any argument against you then you devalue your own contribution enormously.

I was wondering if your sources were…[Read more]

Somer,

I didn’t come out with anything like that because Gerry (unlike  Sophia) never said that we were getting away from the main point of the thread, and should be talking about grooming. If he had, I would have gently pointed out that he was on a tangent, but like Sophia he has every right to say what he likes.

I liked what he was saying,…[Read more]

Sophia,

that isn’t actually the main subject of the thread, which is about who is to blame for the death of Shamima Begum’s baby. This has been quite closely argued out, The legality of not allowing Shamima to return is a closely connected topic.

You’re travelling along a tangent on whether the girls were groomed or not.

They are not angels -…[Read more]

Somer,

from one who bangs on about human rights (as well as the EU),

the British woman jailed in Iran is an awful case. It’s been caught up in international politics, unfortunately, so the rights and the wrongs of her argument go by the board.

The only lesson I can see is that if you get caught up in these problems, it’s damned difficult…[Read more]

and the buck stopped with Javid.

he made the decision.

The consequence was that the baby died.

Right or wrong about Shemima Begum (and it’s almost certainly illegal), the consequence was the death of the baby.

His heart, like everyone else’s, might go out to the baby, and crocodile tears galore may be shed, but he’s responsible for the baby’s…[Read more]