"People's Vote"
What would your response be to so called "people's" vote?
- May's Deal
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Ted heath was blackmailed into joining the eu I reckon.
He was a wrong un 100pc.
He would be getting investigated today if he were alive.
Fact of the matter is the people voted.Theres no democracy if the vote is not going to be upheld.We knew things were going to get tough before voting.Evry ones brains are minced with all the scarmongering and crap,No one can agree on anything.
Perhaps someone could explain how the Leave élite think we can avoid the suffering of a no-deal Brexit, because the ‘stories’ I’ve heard from everyone else, Leaver and Remainer, seem pretty convincing!
What is your favourite part of the EU?
That’s no answer, drac!!
So … you don’t like any part of the EU?
Fact of the matter is the people voted.Theres no democracy if the vote is not going to be upheld.We knew things were going to get tough before voting.Evry ones brains are minced with all the scarmongering and crap,No one can agree on anything.
Jamie,
I don;’t know of any particle of brexit propaganda during the referendum which talked about people getting poorer. Nobody I knew or heard thought that they were going to get anything bur richer as a result of the Brexit dividend. Anyone who warned otherwise, on JC or in the country, was denounced as a propagator of Project Fear.
If you read anything from brexiteers which warned that it would make people poorer, please let me know. It certainly never registered with people.
Brexit is now going into bollox territory, and many are beginning to see that.
If people change their mind and wish to remain in the EU, would you deny the people the right to stay in 2019 because they voted Brexit in 2016?
Fact of the matter is the people voted.Theres no democracy if the vote is not going to be upheld.We knew things were going to get tough before voting.Evry ones brains are minced with all the scarmongering and crap,No one can agree on anything.
Jamie,
I don;’t know of any particle of brexit propaganda during the referendum which talked about people getting poorer. Nobody I knew or heard thought that they were going to get anything bur richer as a result of the Brexit dividend. Anyone who warned otherwise, on JC or in the country, was denounced as a propagator of Project Fear.
If you read anything from brexiteers which warned that it would make people poorer, please let me know. It certainly never registered with people.
Brexit is now going into bollox territory, and many are beginning to see that.
If people change their mind and wish to remain in the EU, would you deny the people the right to stay in 2019 because they voted Brexit in 2016?
well evryone here thought it would be tough but worth it in the long run scep.No one i know went about saying we would all be ritcher,thats why i am just confused at your attatude.its common sens.Nothing i read,its just the way the people i know were thinking.I stopped listening to all the bickering on tv or the papers ages ago.I just thought because the people voted it would go ahead.That is whats supposed to happen after all.
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jamief.
The Economist owned by Industrialists and bankers and best of all, at the head, the Rothschild family.
Oh do you mean the Rothschild family who had direct dealings in setting up the common market ?
That’s the one yes, the Rothschilds and the Ecomomist he threatens with is their bought and paid for mouthpiece….he just doesn’t understand that ECB monetary policy is enshrined in EU law courtesy of the Rothschilds economic ideology.
Oh do you mean the Rothschild family who had direct dealings in setting up the common market ?
I did tell you I like an oh ye. Oh ye the GERMAN descendant Rothschilds. Scratches head, ooo I wonder what country benefits most from the EU and the Eurozone and the actual Euro…
Lol.
This is disgusting!!
The Rothschilds aren’t German. They were German when they were established in banking (in Frankfurt), but they became particularly noted in French banking in the 19th century. They are now divided into several families according to nation – Austria, France, Britain and Italy. There was no German branch at all between 1901 And 1989.
It’s the British section of the Rothschild family which owns 21% of The Economist
21%. A good portion, but hardly the majority.
So why choose the Rothschilds?
The fact is that the Rothschilds are a family of Jewish financiers. They are known for being Jewish, not German (or French or British., for that matter).
Don’t tell me you don’t know this. Conspiracy theories about the Rothschilds have almost always meant anti-Semitism (dog-whistle, even).
The Rothschilds have been the centre of anti-Semitic charges of European and world domination by Jews ever since Alphonse Toussenel’s The Jews, Kings of Our Time in 1843, via Hitler’s attacks on the Rothschilds as secretly controlling the world.
One of the conspiracy theories is that the Jews founded the Common Market through the money of the Rothschilds.
Oh do you mean the Rothschild family who had direct dealings in setting up the common market ?
I genuinely can’t believe that she knows what she’s saying??
Does she not realise the logic??
As an example, one anti-Semitic group called the vote for brexit a blow against the Jewish conspiracy in this vile piece of anti-Jewish filth– “The Secretive Bank of England essay of Forbidden History directly focused on the Rothschild scheme to subjugate Christian Europe under the Talmud exalted usury plot of the bankster conquest. Make no mistake about the actual state of affairs.
Europe long ago came under the rule of zealot Zionists, who use multiculturalism as the Judas goat of national annihilation. This enemy of Western Civilization practices the worst of all identity politics with their chosen protocols.
The vote in favour of Brexit is a mere emotional victory without the required and necessary renunciation of the Shylock monetary system of central banking tyranny”.
Brexit is victory over the Rothschilds and EU Globalists http://humansarefree.com/2016/07/brexit-is-victory-over-rothschilds-eu.html
These conspiracy theories. Ugh!!
I use the financial press, including The Economist, not because I’m a tool of the Rothschilds but because they represent an accurate picture of what is going on in current affairs.
If anyone can show how they’re wrong, I’m more than willing to listen.
But I#m not going to listen to anti-Semitic filth, whether dog-whistle or not, whether people realise what they’re saying or not.
Let’s see we had a vote to join the EU we had a vote to leave the EU but apparently its now undemocratic to hold a peoples vote on which way forward
Look at the evil things the EU has inflicted on us
They forced us into helping people from warzones
They forced us into stopping testing products on animals
They forced us into humane killing of animals instead of just being allowed to torture them
They forced us into not needing visas to travel and work anywhere within the block
They forced tariff free trading upon us
They gave us a rebate
Forced us to keep our own currency
And most evil of all corrupted the youth into accepting different cultures and lifestyles
The brexiteers are right clearly evil
Paige,
I wouldn’t get upset by their dismissive attitude to you. I’m sure you’re not.When these characters start to talk of depravity and evil about the arguments of their opponents, you know that they haven’t any substantive argument.They talk like that because they are fanatics.
They’re not going to listen to any of your arguments. They reduce them to nonsense and make silly jokes about them, often with a lot of character assassination mixed in.
When you make arguments, may I suggest trying to address them as little as possible to these people? I try to address them to a general reader – there must be some here who are reading the arguments with an attempt at working out what’s going on. If they turn on you, just ignore them, treat them with the contempt they deserve.
They refuse to address the question of how to avoid the suffering which a brutal brexit is likely to bring. They just deny it all as though it’s an invention when the cabinet has just committed an additional £2bn to handle the crisis which is likely to ensue, together with an initial 3,500 troops to back them up. Matt Hancock, the Health Secretary, said today that there were events beyond the government’s control which could mean genuine suffering in the event of no deal, no matter what he or the government could do.
Some of these people are nationalist fanatics, who are ready to push this country over the edge.
There’s no option for “Kick every single person who wanted a ‘peoples vote’, into the sea”
So I went for the second best option of “No Deal”
. When things start to go wrong, new scapegoats will be found. Meanwhile, everything and everybody opposed to them is to be discredited, their arguments ridiculed and sidelined.
Don’t worry. Just keep addressing you arguments to anyone who might be reading for the argument.
Have a good Christmas. I’m clearing these people out of my mind for the festive season,. which begins for me tonight.
I’m bored of this topic which is why I haven’t continued to contribute with the same guff typed from the usual suspects but Scepticals last post sums up his narrow minded, blinkered rubbish which manifests itself in many of his posts.
Sceptical states ” Paige,
I wouldn’t get upset by their dismissive attitude to you. I’m sure you’re not.When these characters start to talk of depravity and evil about the arguments of their opponents, you know that they haven’t any substantive argument.”Comedy gold when quoting a statement written by paige which states… wait for it( drumroll) “And most evil of all corrupted the youth into accepting different cultures and lifestyles. The brexiteers are right clearly evil”
I suggest people stop arguing with a kid who watches the Simpsons and an old guy clearly senile that he is so blinkered he ignores posts from people he views as allies which contain the same content of what he apparently condemns … he may as well have a guide dog taking over his computer or tapping it with a white stick let’s face it. It’s so ridiculous, I’ve come to the conclusion he is on the wind up on here so don’t engage any more. A quick look at the vote confirms sceptical will simply slide into a mental meltdown unable to accept very few share his views on here and the minority of the public agree with him not the majority.
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Incidentally how is life in those EU strongholds like France and Belgium where people are so dissatisfied with life and austerity they are rioting in the streets with tens of thousands of people? Suppose it’s all down to Brexit as well ..
I’m bored of this topic which is why I haven’t continued to contribute with the same guff typed from the usual suspects but Scepticals last post sums up his narrow minded, blinkered rubbish which manifests itself in many of his posts.
Sceptical states ” Paige,
I wouldn’t get upset by their dismissive attitude to you. I’m sure you’re not.When these characters start to talk of depravity and evil about the arguments of their opponents, you know that they haven’t any substantive argument.”
Comedy gold when quoting a statement written by paige which states… wait for it( drumroll) “And most evil of all corrupted the youth into accepting different cultures and lifestyles. The brexiteers are right clearly evil”
I suggest people stop arguing with a kid who watches the Simpsons and an old guy clearly senile that he is so blinkered he ignores posts from people he views as allies which contain the same content of what he apparently condemns … he may as well have a guide dog taking over his computer or tapping it with a white stick let’s face it. It’s so ridiculous, I’ve come to the conclusion he is on the wind up on here so don’t engage any more. A quick look at the vote confirms sceptical will simply slide into a mental meltdown unable to accept very few share his views on here and the minority of the public agree with him not the majority.
I was wondering why we hadn’t heard from you.
You are capable of presenting a serious argument, and I’ll definitely take issue with that – when it occurs.
I think if you read paige carefully, you’ll see she’s being ironic.
Or am I wrong/ If Paige corrects me on that, I’ll admit to having misread her.
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Incidentally how is life in those EU strongholds like France and Belgium where people are so dissatisfied with life and austerity they are rioting in the streets with tens of thousands of people? Suppose it’s all down to Brexit as well ..
Well, erm,
two different types of riot.
In Belgium, there were 5000 rioters mobilised by the Far Right against the UN decision on migration.
In France, the riots are much more widespread, signs of a genuine popular revulsion at Macron’s economic policies, which are rightly seen as favouring the rich. They aren’t political – Right or Left. They’re not directed at the EU – they’re just people who feel forgotten as the economy recovers. I support them wholeheartedly, apart form attempts by Anarchists and fascists to create violence.
There is anti-EU sentiment, especially in Italy (where there’s 23% youth unemployment!). part of the stresses and strains caused by the aftermath of the financial crisis of 2008 imho. In the UK, the young are generally pro-EU.
But there will always be stresses and stains within the EU, especially in times of crisis. That’s in the nature of any trading arrangement comprising disparate economies.
It’s how you react to those stresses and strains. To me, the forces defending the living standards of ordinary people, such as in France (or in the new type of independent trade union growing in Britain), are what need support.That involves a reformed EU, more democratic and more social; not a demolition of the trading arrangement, at least not as it currently stands.
Anyway, when i return I’ll certainly respond to serious posts. I leave the field to you and your nationalist mates for a while – make hay, I’m sure you will.
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